On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 12:01 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Well, there is Linux distribution which is systemd-free. And that > distribution I predict will live for decently long time. It is "Devuan" - > a fork of Debian, stripped off systemd and friends... well, I should have > said: composed without systemd and friends. Devuan was forked off ebian > because of systemd. Once Ubuntu was mentioned, which is a replica of > Debian (the last _is_ systemd...), then Devuan should be pretty close to > yours Ubuntu experience. You, however, may also be tired of often reboots > (which all Linuxes in my observation suffer from: every on average 45 days > there is either kernel or glibc security update requiring reboot... no, I > do know that ksplice and similar exist, but there are few things I will > not do on servers). If that is the case you may look around and find some > UNIX system to use for some of your boxes (Open Solaris, BSD derivatives > like FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, PC-BSD come first to my mind). Search, try, > and something will fill the bill. Number Crunchers, clusters, even > workstations I set up for my users are still staying Linux, CentOS to be > precise, even though servers are migrated away. My problem is that Debian and all its derivatives use apt/dpkg for packaging, updating and installing, while Red Hat and derivatives use rpm/yum. I have much experience with the latter, and have frequently set up local installation repositories; I'm a lot less familiar with the apt/dpkg world (although I got a crash course in it when I had to set up an apt local installation repository early last year, and it wasn't pleasant!) As far as I know, there isn't an rpm-based distro which is systemd-free. The thing which always gets me about systemd is not the thing itself, but the way it was rolled out. When I first installed Red Hat 7, if a window had appeared telling me about systemd and asking me if I wanted to use it, or stick with the old init framework, I'd have opted for the latter (as I was interested primarily in continuity from the previous version.) But I'd have noted the existence of systemd, and would have tried it out on a sacrificial box - I might even have got to like it! But having it rammed down my throat just put me off it for life (bit like a kid being force-fed Brussels sprouts.)