On 1/22/2016 3:42 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 01/22/2016 02:38 PM, John R Pierce wrote: >> for that matter, what about a VM running on a service like Amazon AWS >> (or pick your virtual server environment) ? AWS provides a remote >> console, doesn't it? > > AWS doesn't offer UEFI Secure Boot, so I'm not sure how that's relevant. > > It seems like you're reaching for criticisms of mokutil because you > don't like it, rather than because there is a demonstrable problem > with it. yeah, I just realized, duh, secureboot on a VM is not an issue at all, so never mind all that. I do think the whole secureboot thing is a bad idea on a general purpose computer system, seems like an attempt at creating product lock in and turning the x86 PC into an appliance, which it really isn't. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz