to pass time waiting for reply, went thru kde application launcher. found this progs have no icon: cheese audit logs media player note pad regedit wineconfig winefile winehelp wine software uninstall wine wordpad audio cd extractor running chkrootkit, shows Checking `amd'... not found Checking `biff'... not found Checking `fingerd'... not found Checking `inetd'... not found Checking `inetdconf'... not found Checking `identd'... not found Checking `named'... not found Checking `pop2'... not found Checking `pop3'... not found Checking `rlogind'... not found Checking `rshd'... not found Checking `timed'... not found Checking `rexedcs'... not found can not say what was before now. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.7 tc,hago. g .