On 26 May 2016 at 11:17, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote: > On 05/26/2016 04:31 AM, Yamaban wrote: > > On Thu, 26 May 2016 08:00, James Hogarth wrote: > >> On 26 May 2016 00:57, "SternData" wrote: > >>> On 05/25/2016 06:43 PM, Always Learning wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 22:32 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Also, yum had associations which it was sad to lose. > >>>> > >>>> Perhaps the Fedora ("We love consulting all affected users") > >>>> replacement > >>>> could be named MUD. > >>>> > >>>> Now we await the System-D controlling interface ;-) > >>> > >>> There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when these changes > >>> rolled into Fedora. After a while, I got used to it and now it seems > >>> normal. Plus, if you type "yum update" it responds "what your really > >>> should type is dnf update, but I'll do it for you anyway". > >> > >> There was a mail on the Fedora development list recently from one of the > >> internal Red Hat RHEL yum guys. > >> > >> It implied that in RHEL the command would remain yum and not change to > >> dnf, > >> although the internals will no doubt do so at some point. > > > > Well, from what I've heard from some Red Hat RHEL Kernel guys, it will be > > likely in RHEL 8.x as default with a yum compat cli, but unlikely to get > > into RHEL 7.x as replacement for yum, and should stay confined to EPEL. > > The reason given was: "(DNF is) not quite Enterprise ready, yet. Lets > look > > again during Fedora 25". > > > > Based on previous RHEL history I would agree with Yamaban's take > (probably in RHEL 8.x, likely not in RHEL 7). But Red Hat has been a > bit less conservative with making changes to RHEL 7 than they were the > previous version of RHEL. > > Still, for them to make a change there would need to be some driving > force for that change (IMHO). For example, if there were new technology > areas (containers, cloud) where dnf had major functionality advantages > over yum, then they might consider a change. Otherwise, I just don't > see it. > > But, I have been wrong before .. a lot .. so take that with a grain of > salt :) > > > To make it clear here is the specific link on the fedora-devel archives discussing this: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ALJVP7YTSEPC4HNH6JSFMFM6MCUP5HAT/ "Currently we're slated to keep yum as the primary name/command for package management in RHEL. It may or may not be backed by dnf at some point; we're still looking at the pros & cons and how to bring better compatibility if we go down this path." So my expectation is that RHEL8 will use dnf internally but the interface will be called yum