On Thu, May 5, 2016 9:58 am, Gary Stainburn wrote: > On Thursday 05 May 2016 15:19:47 John Hodrien wrote: >> I'd take a stab at: >> journalctl -fu dovecot >> The full RHEL7 System Administrators Guide is well worth a read, but here's >> the bit you're probably after. >> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/ht >>ml/System_Administrators_Guide/s1-Using_the_Journal.html >> Or maybe: >> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-v >>iew-and-manipulate-systemd-logs >> jh > > Thanks John. Another example of systemd project creep - AKA systemd's plan > for world domination There were several heated discussions on this list, and elsewhere. This is not intended to start the new one, but to help someone who missed them to define their statute. People split into two groups: Opponents of systemd (, firewqalld, etc.) who argue that from formerly Unix-like system Linux becomes Unix-unlike (or more MS Windows-like), and this is bad. Proponents of systemd etc. who argue that the life goes on, systems evolve and you better keep up with changes. Therefore, for new person who is about to, let's say, upgrade Linux system to the version with systemd, there is a decision that will define that person's future maintenance of this new system. And the decision has to be made before upgrade. Luckily for those who do decide to go with systemd, bugs (that always are present in new software) are being solved. Luckily for those who do not accept fundamental changes systemd brings (like binary logs or config files infested with XML garbage - sorry if I'm missing or misinterpreting something) there are Unix system one can migrate machine to. Either way one has to read and estimate what making that step (upgrading to systemd, firewalld based Linux or switching to some flavor of Unix) will entail in a long run for that server and the server admin. Either way, as in one of Unix handbooks they stress: read carefully the upgrade notes! I hope, this helps someone. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++