On 6/7/17 12:42 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 06/07/2017 02:02 PM, John R Pierce wrote: >> On 6/7/2017 11:28 AM, Always Learning wrote: >>>> In the case of CentOS-7 .. you don't need to create a whole new >>>> distro, you can just petition the CentOS Project Board to create a >>>> Special Interest Group to get access to CentOS Project controlled >>>> resources to build packages (and get them rolled into our mirrors, >>>> etc.) to use something other than systemd. >>> Excellent idea. I'll gladly sign any such petition:-) >> >> but will you contribute to building the non-systemd packages, and >> working out how to retrofit old sysV init back into everything via >> patches, etc ? every RPM that interacts with systemd will need to be >> 'fixed' to do it the old way, with init.d scripts. repositories like >> postgres, EPEL, etc won't work, either, as their C7 packaged daemons are >> all configured to use systemd. >> >> > Exactly what John said. > > What I meant by petitioning the board is for a group of people who are > willing to actually contribute the time/effort required to make/modify > software that would use something other than systemd. > > If such a group exists, and if that group wanted a way to get such > software into CentOS, they could petition (ask) for the starting of a SIG. > > If there are not people willing to invest that effort, then we get what > we get from the released source code. > > We don't need people to tell us they don't like it .. just like we don't > need people to tell us the want they want the upgrade tool to work. We > need people who will actually DO SOMETHING to volunteer to do said > something in order for these (or any other things) to actually happen. > Actually, a LOT of that work exists in Scientific Linux. The power of OSS is that odds are our problems aren't new and have already been solved by someone and we share those solutions. Previous to systemd, the packages didn't have systemd integrated, so should be good models. I, for one, volunteer.