On 10/4/19 4:59 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 10:41, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2019-10-04 08:03, Chris Adams wrote: >>> Once upon a time, Ljubomir Ljubojevic <centos at plnet.rs> said: >>>> Bridge for VM's is main reason I hate NM. >> >> +1 >> >> My impression is younger generation doesn't value rules that programmers >> were following 2-3 decades ago. One of which is: >> > > It is the same evolution you see in other industries. Auto mechanics > constantly complain about how the newer generation is 'dumber' for not > knowing the beauty of a vehicle that the mechanic had when they were > in their teens. [Of course they also rail on the fact that their > grandparents car was a complete junk that was too simple to work.] > Most of the tools we had 30 years ago in computers are like working on > a Model T era vehicle. They allowed for a lot of configuration choices > and fine tuning but they also were limited vastly in other ways. You > can't run a fleet of 1000 Model TT trucks made in 1923 as well as you > could 1000 1933 trucks. You ended up losing some of the knowledge of > hand-crafting your own gears but you got the ability to go faster, > carry heavier loads and better gas mileage without working as hard at > getting a mile out of a quart. > > The transmissions of the 1933 were considered 'automatic' compared to > some 1912 vehicles.. even if you had a clutch because you no longer > had to get out and turn something to make it go in reverse. The > 'truly' automatic transmissions of the 1950's were horrible and it > wasn't until the 1970's where they became 'liveable'. Today trying to > find a real stick shift is almost impossible as you find out that the > most are really talking to a computer which does the shifting when it > decides is optimal. In Europe most cars are still stick, around 80%. > > As that happens the place where a programmer makes changes goes higher > and higher. They no longer see a system by itself but see 10,000 nodes > sitting in some cloud. They really could care less if 10% of them drop > off because there is a tool which is going ot bring 1000 back online > when that happens. However they may still be worrying about making a > change 'low' level to them. It is just light years above where those > of us with only 10 or a 100 systems can dream about. > -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant