On Thu, 2019-10-17 at 10:59 -0400, Fred Smith wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 09:08:28AM -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > On 9/24/19 2:41 PM, Frank Cox wrote: > > > Without wanting to sound too pushy, I'm wondering if there is any > > > update on the status of Mate now that Centos 8 has been released? > > > > > > I would love to jump on C8 and start playing with it, but the > > > lack of Mate is kind of a showstopper for me at the moment. > > > > > > > Is gnome3 really that bad :D > > > > I decided to just bite the bullet and shift to real gnome3 (and not > > the > > classic) about 4 years ago. It waas different and took some time > > to > > learn .. BUT .. I can do everything I need to do now. > > > > I like both mate and cinnamon .. so I am not knocking either one. I > > just > > think people might be well server switching to a 'supported' > > desktop in > > the longer run. > > > > Again .. don't get me wrong .. it's open source, so do what makes > > you > > happy :D > > > > Johnny, I'm sure it can be learned, apparently lots of people have > done > so and are now happy(for some values of happy) with it. > > That is just something I don't feel like doing. I'm not against > change, > but the changes in Gnome 3 seemed to me to be needlessly adding pain > and difficulty to what had been a perfectly usable desktop. Every > time > I install a new CentOS I grit my teeth at having to remember/figure > out > enough of it to get me thru to the point where I can use a friendly > UI. > > Yes, I should stop being a luddite and learn it. but, y'know, I just > can't bring myself to deal with the pain. As a geezer, I guess I'm > kinda set in my ways. :) > > Just to get the Mate installed on C8 (as was posted here recently > where/how to do it) was more pain that I enjoyed going through. Now, > I'm sure there are simple solutions to these issues, but I just don't > want to have to stop what I'm doing to google for them... anyway, > I had firefox open and wanted a terminal window. couldn't figure out > how to set it up so I could see both at the same time. Once I > maximized > FF I couldn't figure out how to get it to not eat the entire screen > --no > clicky buttons on the top-right of the window, so I ended up using > the > left-most item at the top of the window (forget what it is named...) > to > choose which window I wanted in front. tedious but livable. > > but now I don't have to do that 'cause Mate works great! > > And thanks to you, Johnny, and your companions/associates for all the > many YEARS of work you've all put in on CentOS. Even though I gripe > and > complain about Gnome3, I really do appreciate all you've done! > > Fred What Fred said, Johnny. I was very happy with GNOME v2 until its developers decided to take magic mushrooms or whatever and shuffled off to Oz. If you want to use GNOME v3, great. But this thread is probably not the best place to trumpet how much you like GNOME v3. A fairly substantial group of us is trying to restore a capability (MATE) that Red Hat deliberately took away from us. I hope when you find yourself on the wrong side of a Red Hat decision you are lucky enough to have a talented and resourceful group to help you recover. --Doc Savage