I just skimmed through the deprecated, and there's a *lot*. But one hit me in the face: if you make a change to /etc/nsswitch.conf, you need to REBOOT THE SERVER? Ok, did this come from Redmond?* Oh, and I note virt-manager replaced by cockpit. Can someone pass along a little note: Sybase has had, for a bunch of years, a required program... called cockpit. I think they've got the name by priority.... * I thought that "your cursor has moved; please reboot Windows to have this change take effect was a joke... until, about 5-6 years ago, I found in trying to set up samba at home on Win 8 that if I changed the workgroup name... it required Windows to be rebooted. So... really? nsswitch.conf, and reboot? Now I think I'll install C 7 to dual boot on my lady's workstation, rather than 8. mark "or my manager this I should go to ubuntu, which I dislike...." mark