On 12/8/20 2:01 PM, centos at niob.at wrote: > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: >>> Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 >>> Stream? What are the benefits? >>> >>> I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that >>> question. Is it just a name change? Is it an attempt to put CentOS >>> on a subscription model? >>> >> Stream is the RHEL sorce code for rhel + 0.1 .. so durng the 8.3 rhel >> cycle, stream will be rhel 8.4 source code. >> >> It is not very far ahead of the current code. It is indeed the code you >> will get in 6 months. It is not 'new shiny' .. it is newer enterprise. >> >> What are the benefits: >> >> 1) Many people (like Intel and Facebook) are providing feedback in real >> time. So can any user. They should have in place, before RHEL 9 >> development starts, the ability to accept public community pull requests >> into stream. >> >> 2) This code is still RHEL source code .. it is just not released in >> rhel yet. Almost all of it will be released in the upcoming RHEL point >> release. >> >> 3) Most bugs will get fixed faster, if the code is pulled into stream. >> Many times you don't get the fix until the next point release .. and >> this will be what stream is. > > You are putting lipstick on a pig. Let's face it: This is IBM pulling > the plug on CentOS. > > Not a single one of those "benefits" will benefit *me*. I am a private > user hosting his own machines with CentOS for stability but using RHEL > for work. I do not have the money to pay for RHEL. But I do contribute > to open-source projects, some of which are part of RHEL. > > I'm pretty sure IBM is behind this: They still do not like the > open-source model. They only like money. > > After 20 years of running and advocating for Redhat based Distros > (Fedora on workstations, CentOS on servers) I night have to jump ship > (if somebody is going to clone "classic" CentOS to keep tracing RHEL I > might reconsider). Debian or Ubuntu: here I come. I will also no longer > advocate for RHEL in the workplace where we used CentOS for > non-production machines and RHEL for production. > > Thanks for the hard work you put into CentOS over the years. Sorry to > hear that it now turns out to have been wasted. > I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still has a CEO, CFO, etc. Red Hat also maintains a neutral relationship with many IBM competitors. So this was not an IBM decision.