[CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

Tue Dec 8 23:13:39 UTC 2020
Phelps, Matthew <mphelps at cfa.harvard.edu>

Forget about IBM.

We were told way back in 2014, when Red Hat bought CentOS, that CentOS
would remain independent from RedHat. This is clearly bullshit now. So we
were totally misled into adopting the platform with the belief that what we
were getting would stay the same, an unsupported recompile of RHEL and its

This is no longer what we will be getting, and even worse, it is no longer
what we will be getting AFTER BEING ASSURED that CentOS 8 would remain in
parallel with RHEL 8 until 2029.

This is a classic bait-and-switch money grab and it is going to hurt *a
lot* of people in the form of a shitload of added work to change platforms.

It's totally contemptible and a complete betrayal to loyal enthusiasts.

I have ZERO respect for RedHat now, and unless the decision is reversed,
I'll prosthelytize against them as loud as I can, on as many platforms as I



P.S. Where is Karanbir? He is supposedly the Chair of the CentOS Board. I
want to hear from him on this.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 5:54 PM Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Forgive a bit of cynicism ...
> Sure, some cynicism is absolutely warranted. It's a big change.
> > "If you want to keep using RHEL for free, you will have to put up with
> > making sure that our paying customers get better quality releases"
> I mean.... That's not the _worst_ deal I've ever heard. But actually it's
> better than you've stated, because the benefit to others happens even
> regardless of the paying customers -- others using CentOS Stream also
> benefit. And for that matter since many of fixes go upstream, users of open
> source in general.
> (In some ways, this is like: being a paying customer of RHEL also benefits
> other paying customers. And for that matter, those paying customers benefit
> all of the free users, and Fedora, and hundreds of upstreams.)
> > "CentOS will become the developer playground"
> This one is categorically not the case. Even Fedora isn't a developer
> playground. Everything landing in CentOS Stream is actually *planned* (with
> emphasis intentional) to go in a future RHEL release.
> Previously, all the development around RHEL releases was done in secret, in
> the Red Hat black box. Now it's out of the box and can be watched. There
> may
> be some launch pains, but I expect the average quality of an update hitting
> CentOS Stream to be very high.
> > >
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> ]
> > Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to make
> > sure it's pulling its weight or we aren't allowed to put any resources
> > into it"
> Of course, that link says nothing of the sort. It's easy to imagine IBM
> conspiracies, but the honest truth is that there's nothing to that. Now, I
> don't know everything, and it may be the case that IBM is secretly
> pulling all sorts of invisible strings and making Red Hat management dance,
> but I do know about *this* particular thing and IBM had nothing to do with
> it.
> --
> Matthew Miller
> <mattdm at fedoraproject.org>
> Fedora Project Leader
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