On 12/8/20 5:29 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:05 PM Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote: > >> On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: >>> On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>>> I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with >>>> this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still >>>> has a CEO, CFO, etc. Red Hat also maintains a neutral relationship with >>>> many IBM competitors. So this was not an IBM decision. >>> >>> Then WHO made the decision? >>> >>> Where was the transparency in this decision by the CentOS Board? >>> (assuming CentOS still *has* a working independent board) >>> >>> Judging from the reactions, I don't believe that anyone saw this coming. >>> Where was the community consultation on IF this was a good idea. >> >> The CentOS Project board has a Red Hat Liaison. That position is >> documented here: >> >> >> https://www.centos.org/about/governance/board-responsibilities/#red-hat-liaison-responsibilities >> >> Also see role of Liaison here (and look at B:): >> >> https://www.centos.org/about/governance/voting/ >> >> The bottom line is .. a decision of the CentOS Board has been made and >> we don't have to like it. We do have to do it, regardless of if we like >> it. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > > > > B. The Liaison may, in exceptional circumstances, make a decision on behalf > of the Board if a consensus has not been reached on an issue that is deemed > time or business critical by Red Hat. > > > > So, Johnny, are you saying that the RedHat Liaison, who is Brian Exelbierd ( > bexelbie at redhat.com) has forced this decision on the CentOS Board, despite > objection from the Board? > > Brian, please answer this directly, or the so called "Transparency" from > RedHat and CentOS we were promised will be clearly shown to be a lie. > > No .. I am saying that the CentOS Board knows that option exists, and therefore we know that IF it is invoked, we get no say in what will happen for that decision. I am saying that the CentOS Board therefore made a hard decision given the situation we were in.