[CentOS] CentOS 8 Stream: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly

Thu Dec 10 05:55:32 UTC 2020
Nicolas Kovacs <info at microlinux.fr>

Le 10/12/2020 à 00:51, Joshua Kramer a écrit :
> After reading and digesting a ton of community chatter about the
> recent CentOS announcement I've come to the conclusion that there's a
> lot of good about this, but there are also a lot of concerns that are
> being ignored.  And nobody so far has stared directly into the eyes of
> the elephant in the room.  So here goes.
> The Good: From a technical perspective- both in the sense of "getting
> newer software" and "technical community being more involved in
> bugfixes, etc"- having *a version* of CentOS called "AppStream" is
> fantastic. The various RedHat and CentOS folks who have been extolling
> these virtues in blog posts and twitter feeds are right-on.  But from
> responses I've seen, it appears to me that they think that these
> virtues are enough to completely gloss over the complete and utter
> clusterfrackas they've caused.
> The Bad: No point releases.  There is POSITIVELY NO* REASON that they
> can't have AppSream and still do point releases.  Brand new stuff
> would go into AppStream, at some point they do a point release of
> RHEL, then follow the normal CentOS procedure to spin a CentOS build
> of that point release.  This is already a tried and true process.  It
> will cost RedHat all of what, low five digits (if that) in developer
> salary to do this.  Heck I'm sure some volunteers would step up to use
> the existing infrastructure if RedHat didn't want to spend any paid
> developer time on this.
> The Ugly: I denoted "NO* REASON" above because there actually *are*
> reasons that we are not privy to.
> https://twitter.com/JoshuaPKr/status/1336744681716244480  Since RedHat
> is not being transparent with this, we are forced to speculate and
> remain bewildered at why they would make a decision that is going to
> cost them so much in the long run.  The most common (and most likely)
> theory is that some MBA somewhere in middle management saw all of this
> CentOS being used in production environments (and otherwise downloaded
> for free), and had the idea that if CentOS had its head cut off people
> would just buy RHEL subscriptions.
> That may happen in a few cases, but for the most part, that is NOT
> what is going to happen.  By handling the CentOS situation in this
> way, RedHat has branded itself as a company that acts in bad faith. If
> a company acts in bad faith towards a community where non-monetary
> value is exchanged, WHY would you trust that company to hold up its
> obligations for contracts that are actually paid?  People are going to
> do whatever they can to get away from RedHat.  Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE
> will all benefit from this.  Even in cases where non-profits and other
> similar clients "contact RedHat about options because Stream won't
> meet their needs"- why would such entities have ANY reason to trust
> anything that RedHat says to them?
> There have been hundreds of other messages that describe exactly what
> RedHat loses in this deal so I won't go into that here.  But branding
> oneself as a "bad faith actor" is usually a terrible way to try to
> pick up a little bit of subscription revenue.  In the end it's going
> to be a losing scenario.  This is an absolutely UNMITIGATED DISASTER
> from a marketing and community goodwill standpoint.
> It can, however, be mitigated if RedHat backtracks, admits their
> mistake, and affirmatively commits to support future CentOS point
> releases.  I'll be interested to see how this turns out.


Spot on.

Thank you for voicing all our concerns in such an articulate manner.



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