I am centos guy last 20 years but not anymore. I have started looking into Ubuntu. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 14, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis <ruslanas at lpic.lt> wrote: > > if it is currently changed over the night... > How can you be sure that the CentOS8 stream will not be dropped tomorrow? > How about CentOS9, CentOS10, CentOS Core?! > How can you be sure that what was "promised" will not be canceled in one > second? > I think most of the derivatives will be dead with one or two releases, like > was with Debian, such as Devuan, never got a new version... > > In general, I would blame "DevOps" mindset! That might have played the bad > thing here and forced all to this decision. > > Maybe RH wanted something like Debian GNU/Linux Testing/stable concept (in > some cases TESTING more stable than prod, as it had the possibility to have > a newer major version with rewritten codebase)? > > In either way, RH showed, that after IBM have got them, IBM KPI's forced RH > to do some moves which we never ever were expecting to happen before IBM RH. > Maybe even a first thing that could be a sign, changing Logo into a > "simple" one... > > What is left now to treat as trust worthful OS? My decision would be to bet > on: > * Debian (biggest arch and package selection, which is quite up to date, > and can easily upgrade from 2 to 10, yeah, of course, you will need to do > some mambo jumbo), You can find some things like parrotOS, previous > backtrack and much more in there, so just ADD repo, and download package > what you miss in debian repos. And a shame thing, bubuntu is based on deb, > so, same here, just add missing repos from bubuntu for particular package > (but I have never ever seen such case, when bubuntu had smth needful, what > debian didn't. > * OpenBSD (very very very clear way forward, very openminded OS, but at > the same time SEC on a first place!), already has vmd, written with a clean > codebase, looks very promissing replacement for kvm in general usages. > * FreeBSD, AnyOtherBSD BSD, you know... LOTS of appliances work on it! Has > ZFS support... behyve... > * Arch or Gentoo? Why not LFS then? But both have quite good support and > showed themselfs. > > your suggestions? > > > >> On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 23:25, Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:50:00PM +0100, Walter H. wrote: >>> it is called "rolling release" and no one gave officially a >>> statement to the question I asked, >> >> It should not have been called a rolling release. It is not a rolling >> release in the sense that many Linux distributions use it. >> >>> if it is meant like that of Win10 ... >> >> I don't know what that means. No. It will not be like Win 10 in pretty much >> every way. >> >> >>> a beta release is not the same that many expect as a stable system, >>> as they are used to have with CentOS; >> >> It is not a beta release. >> >> >>> you should think of renaming CentOS to something different, because >>> with Enterprise this CentOS Stream has nothing in common; >> >> Maybe. But I think it has more in common than you think >> >>> and does Redhat really expect everone - even private people - afford >>> a RHEL subscription¹ just to have a stable system? >> >> No. In many cases, CentOS Stream will provide a stable system for the needs >> of individuals. In many other cases, upcoming low- and no-cost RHEL >> programs >> will address many of these needs. As an individual, you can already get >> RHEL >> with no cost through the Developer Program, although it isn't as easy as it >> could be and usage is limited. The upcoming plans are intended to address >> those problems. It's unfortunate that the timing is such that those aren't >> anything but future promises at this point, but they are coming. See >> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10 and email >> centos-questions at redhat.com with your specific needs. That address goes to >> real people who are working on these programs, not sales or anything like >> that. >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthew Miller >> <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> >> Fedora Project Leader >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > > > -- > Ruslanas Gžibovskis > +370 6030 7030 > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos