On 12/16/20 10:50 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > Why did they change the development process of RHEL .. Because they > want to do the development in the community. The current process of > RHEL development is closed .. they want it to be open. It is that simple. Johnny, let me say first of all thanks for these years of hard work. I for one am grateful for your continued and dogged pursuit of what must be a mostly thankless task. Thanks for the explanations from your point of view of this transition, too. Having said that, I believe that in terms of RHEL development and transparency that CentOS Stream will be a very big win. With working resolutions to the 'unsupported by Red Hat but not third-party out-of-tree driver kABI breaks frequently' and 'third-party out-of-tree hardware driver kABI breaks frequently' issues I'm sure it can be a very usable system for what I need CentOS for. And it will be very nice to be able to have actual feedback that might actually make a difference in the development of each next point release. That will work nicely for my main daily driver laptop. Maybe or maybe not for my servers; that has yet to be seen. But as I posted in my reply to Mike McGrath, Red Hat's reneging on the September 24, 2019 statement that "nothing changes" for CentOS, especially CentOS 8, still smarts. A lot. (I know it must be worse for you and the other devs.)