[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:40:19 +0000
"Laack, Andrea P" <Andrea.Laack at BSWHealth.org> wrote:

> We would also have to spend an extraordinary amount of work moving off CentOS.  We currently run it on production servers and would no longer be able to run it if it was beta.  
> This will affect thousands of CentOS business users who use it because it is stable and not a beta.

IMHO, if you based the most critical part of your infrastructure on CentOS,  you did it
wrong.

The CentOS project doesn't owe you anything for any reason. It's completely your
responsibility to support CentOS in your working environment and you have no right
to pretend, for the developers, to mantain any commitment whatsoever to the project.

We use CentOS on almost all of our hosting machines at the company I work for, and
I'm not that afraid of this announcement. We will start to test the stream branch soon,
to see if it continue to fullfil our needs with a good enough stability and, maybe, take
a decision during the next year if we want to continue with CentOS or not.

We also just switched to CentOS 8 from CentOS 6 spending around 6 months of work
in doing so, but the most important part of our infrastructure is on paid RHEL
licenses (i.e. hypervisors).

CentOS was _always_ a best effort project done on a volunteer basis, if it was stable
enough to build a company on top of it, good! But always remember that, in the end,
you are getting what you paid for.

> 
> Andrea
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CentOS <centos-bounces at centos.org> On Behalf Of Christopher Wensink
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> Subject: {EXTERNAL} Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
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> I agree this is shocking news.  If we don't want to be beta testers and want to continue to use a stable tested OS should we be moving to RHEL servers?  Is there a license-free RHEL server option that is the recommended path from using CentOS?
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 12/8/2020 8:32 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS.
> >
> > Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? 
> > Remember that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not* 
> > represent the vast majority of CentOS users. Most of us are just 
> > sysadmins trying to keep our systems that have been using CentOS for 
> > many, many years running and our procedures for installing, and 
> > patching systems working after whatever changes have been mysteriously decided upon, and forced on us.
> >
> > We will be forced to look at other distributions now; and forced to do 
> > a ton of unnecessary work to deal with this.
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next 
> >> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red 
> >> Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just 
> >> ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 
> >> 8, will end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that 
> >> date, serving as the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS 
> >> Linux 7, and we’ll continue to produce that version through the 
> >> remainder of the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/
> >> updates/errata/*Life_Cycle_Dates__;Iw!!JA_k2roV-A!UcTJONdzRw91iWPOPbI
> >> BOfyPCTEVw0n6aihwrcaaP0xx4AM5TH5uOcLw9UL5CTiBsA$
> >>
> >> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in 
> >> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This 
> >> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next 
> >> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather 
> >> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS 
> >> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> >> And it removes confusion around what “CentOS” means in the Linux 
> >> distribution ecosystem.
> >>
> >> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option 
> >> will be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from 
> >> CentOS Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> >> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are 
> >> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage 
> >> you to contact Red Hat about options.
> >>
> >> We have an FAQ - 
> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://centos.org/distro-faq/__;!!JA_k2r
> >> oV-A!UcTJONdzRw91iWPOPbIBOfyPCTEVw0n6aihwrcaaP0xx4AM5TH5uOcLw9ULXK7HrAw$  - to help with your information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of project focus might affect you.
> >>
> >> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
> >>
> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-str
> >> eam-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux__;!!JA_k2roV-A!UcTJON
> >> dzRw91iWPOPbIBOfyPCTEVw0n6aihwrcaaP0xx4AM5TH5uOcLw9ULz5qn9vg$
> >> ]
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