[CentOS] The conclusio: CentOS is dead

I am centos guy last 20 years but not anymore. I have started looking into Ubuntu. 

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> On Dec 14, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis <ruslanas at lpic.lt> wrote:
> 
> if it is currently changed over the night...
> How can you be sure that the CentOS8 stream will not be dropped tomorrow?
> How about CentOS9, CentOS10, CentOS Core?!
> How can you be sure that what was "promised" will not be canceled in one
> second?
> I think most of the derivatives will be dead with one or two releases, like
> was with Debian, such as Devuan, never got a new version...
> 
> In general, I would blame "DevOps" mindset! That might have played the bad
> thing here and forced all to this decision.
> 
> Maybe RH wanted something like Debian GNU/Linux Testing/stable concept (in
> some cases TESTING more stable than prod, as it had the possibility to have
> a newer major version with rewritten codebase)?
> 
> In either way, RH showed, that after IBM have got them, IBM KPI's forced RH
> to do some moves which we never ever were expecting to happen before IBM RH.
> Maybe even a first thing that could be a sign, changing Logo into a
> "simple" one...
> 
> What is left now to treat as trust worthful OS? My decision would be to bet
> on:
> * Debian (biggest arch and package selection, which is quite up to date,
> and can easily upgrade from 2 to 10, yeah, of course, you will need to do
> some mambo jumbo), You can find some things like parrotOS, previous
> backtrack and much more in there, so just ADD repo, and download package
> what you miss in debian repos. And a shame thing, bubuntu is based on deb,
> so, same here, just add missing repos from bubuntu for particular package
> (but I have never ever seen such case, when bubuntu had smth needful, what
> debian didn't.
> * OpenBSD (very very very clear way forward, very openminded OS, but at
> the same time SEC on a first place!), already has vmd, written with a clean
> codebase, looks very promissing replacement for kvm in general usages.
> * FreeBSD, AnyOtherBSD BSD, you know... LOTS of appliances work on it! Has
> ZFS support... behyve...
> * Arch or Gentoo? Why not LFS then? But both have quite good support and
> showed themselfs.
> 
> your suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 23:25, Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:50:00PM +0100, Walter H. wrote:
>>> it is called "rolling release" and no one gave officially a
>>> statement to the question I asked,
>> 
>> It should not have been called a rolling release. It is not a rolling
>> release in the sense that many Linux distributions use it.
>> 
>>> if it is meant like that of Win10 ...
>> 
>> I don't know what that means. No. It will not be like Win 10 in pretty much
>> every way.
>> 
>> 
>>> a beta release is not the same that many expect as a stable system,
>>> as they are used to have with CentOS;
>> 
>> It is not a beta release.
>> 
>> 
>>> you should think of renaming CentOS to something different, because
>>> with Enterprise this CentOS Stream has nothing in common;
>> 
>> Maybe. But I think it has more in common than you think
>> 
>>> and does Redhat really expect everone - even private people - afford
>>> a RHEL subscription¹ just to have a stable system?
>> 
>> No. In many cases, CentOS Stream will provide a stable system for the needs
>> of individuals. In many other cases, upcoming low- and no-cost RHEL
>> programs
>> will address many of these needs. As an individual, you can already get
>> RHEL
>> with no cost through the Developer Program, although it isn't as easy as it
>> could be and usage is limited. The upcoming plans are intended to address
>> those problems. It's unfortunate that the timing is such that those aren't
>> anything but future promises at this point, but they are coming. See
>> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10 and email
>> centos-questions at redhat.com with your specific needs. That address goes to
>> real people who are working on these programs, not sales or anything like
>> that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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