On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote: > Nicolas Kovacs >> >> Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: >> >> https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 >> >> tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself might be a good >> thing. Here's why. > > As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life cycle> > It doesn't matter how good/rock solid/whatever CentOS Stream turns out to be, but if it only has a 5 year life cycle for each major release, then it no good to me (and I suspect many others) > There is a 2 year overlap with the next version of stream as well .. in this case CentOS Stream 9. How long is Debian or Ubuntu LTS maintained for free? 5 years may not be long enough for you .. but it certainly pretty long. And I am TRYING to get that extended. I may not be successful, we'll have to see. > The article also mentions "CentOS will no longer be old, crusty, and barely alive, trailing RHEL by months at times" - then why didn't Redhat put resources into CentOS to improve that? > Do you have any idea how much money Red Hat is paying to maintain CentOS. And they are maintaining CentOS 7, even now, until 2024. There are dozens of machines and several administrators to maintain them. > Redhat must have known, that if they killed off traditional CentOS, then users will simply go elsewhere for a RHEL rebuild ? If you chose not to use CentOS Stream, that is up to you. What is the OS of your TV set. What is the firmware of your computer. Those things are now pretty much irrelevant and commoditized. At some point the underlying OS is going to be much less important and the important part will be the layered parts that contain your apps and not the OS Layer. If you want a RHEL clone, that's fine. There will be one available. Someone will make one. The real and complete vision of what CentOS Stream will become will not be compolete until around the end of QTR1 2021. If you chose not to try it, that is up to you. I truly think Stream will be a much better and more quickly fixed OS when everything is in place. > > I agree that Redhat really screwed up this announcement - they would have got a lot more kudos if they had announced CentOS Stream to exist along with keeping the current traditional CentOS ... > Again .. pay 8 or more people the going rate to just maintain CentOS. Buy the dozens of machines and pay for the datacenter, bandwidth, hardware services for machines, etc. This is very expensive. Maybe the company you work for will do that out of the goodness of their heart? As bummed out as I am about this whole situation, and believe me i am. But even I can clearly see that Red Hat has gone above and beyond the requirements of open source software and I am quite tired of all the 'they should be happy to pay several million dollars a year to give away a working product." If it is so easy or cheap to do .. then you guys do it. I did it for 17 years. Much of my time was on top of a normal 40 hour work week. Red Hat contributes to every major upstream project .. they maintain several very key major projects. They let employees contribute to projects and pay for them to work on upstream projects. how many things do they have to do for free? > James Pearson