I agree with you 100%. I was almost laughed at by vast majority of Linux professionals when I say I use CentOS exclusively, because 90% of them uses Debian or Ubuntu, and around 99% of developers does the same. I see this developing like this: All/most of the hosting companies will stop offering CentOS in favor of Debian-based distro's (I doubt they will try other RHEL clones) and the number of people who *HAVE* to learn CentOS/RHEL will dwindle, leaving only those who work for RHEL customers, reducing Red Hats subscription pool. I managed to filter all of my feelings and thoughts in two sentences: Majority of CentOS users only care about "99% binary compatibility with *upstream* distro". Take that away and entire Red Hat opensource model and support is gone, same as Oracle has very little following in Linux world. On 12/9/20 8:15 AM, Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: > On 9.12.2020 0.38, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:34:54AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote: >> >> Is it possible that more regressions will get through than have before? >> Well, sure, some. But let's not pretend that even RHEL is ever >> regression-free. It's software, after all, and there are bugs and >> errata. I don't think that for most self-supported CentOS use, it will >> be particularly dangerous to switch to Stream at all. > > It might or it might not. But you can't say to people in good faith anymore > that it will be as stable as the current RHEL release. > >> And if your use case isn't covered by one of the upcoming low- and >> no-cost programs, and you can't take the risk or the possible increased >> change management overhead, or for some other reason... well, is it >> _really_ so bad for companies to pay for RHEL? (I like my family to be >> able to eat, so I'm a bit biased.... but all of this has to come from >> something.) >> > > I have recommended CentOS to my customers as way to get going and also > recommended getting the subscription for RHEL when possible afterwards. > > After the change I lost my last argument for not going to Ubuntu LTS > instead. Lot of companies I deal with have already done that. Problem is > that with Ubuntu being in developers/users workstations that is what > people mainly want without good arguments for something different. > > This might serve the way to reduce amount of RHEL subscriptions in > future. If this will happen, that I don't know. What I do know is that I > don't have any arguments left for getting people started on RHEL/CentOS > route. > > -vpk > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant