On 2020-02-13 10:50, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 11:40, Nicolas Kovacs <info at microlinux.fr> wrote: > >> Le 11/02/2020 à 14:11, Jonathan Billings a écrit : >>> I've mentioned on this list countless times about how NetworkManager >>> is actually pretty good for a general server. Automatic link >>> detection and activation/deactivation, a dispatch service on link >>> activation/deactivation, support for bringing up secondary interfaces >>> after a primary goes up, a dbus interface for automation, etc. >> >> I just prepared myself to catch up and learn more about NetworkManager. So >> I >> opened my big fat "Unix and Linux System Administration Handbook 5th >> edition", >> with a text file open on the computer to take extensive notes... >> >> ... only to find out that there is only half a page on NetworkManager in >> this >> book. Allow me to quote it: >> >> "NetworkManager is primarily of use on laptops, since their network >> enviromment >> may change frequently. For servers and desktop systems, NetworkManager >> isn't >> necessary and may in fact complicate administration. In these >> environments, it >> should be ignored or configured out." >> >> > The book was published in 2017 which means it was written in late 2016. As > much as I love that series of books (I have read them from 1st edition), I > do not expect that its comments on parts of Linux in the 3rd edition would > be useful now. > > In the end, the problem is that NetworkManager, FirewallD, and other > 'automatic' helpers are 'part' of the OS.. and while it was easy to tear > them out in earlier versions.. as time goes on it is not. I like the way you called the fact that these "automatic" things are part of OS: the PROBLEM (in case of servers). Every time I see these discussions on Linux lists, I tell myself how happy I am after fleeing servers to different OS (huh, I'll break my plea to not mention it: FreeBSD). Valeri > > For a car analogy, it was much easier to convert any 1970 car from > automatic back to manual as many parts were left over. Now in this era, you > can do so if you pick the right car but for a lot of them it is not going > to be easy in any form. I see the same trends in computer OS's with certain > tools which were easy to pull out now requiring you to build the whole os > from scratch as the part is assumed to be in so many other areas. > > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++