On 4/29/21 11:13 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 4/29/21 10:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> On 4/29/21 10:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> >>> >>> <snip> >>>> In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO): >>>> >>>> A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or yours, it >>>> doesn't actually matter who rigorously states it, but Johnny's seemed to >>>> really cover all aspects - maybe it's just my reading though) >>>> >>>> B. "CentOS is binary replica of RedHat Enterprise Linux" statement is >>>> not true as far as new releases are concerned, i.e. not true to build >>>> one's future on it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But as everyone is agreed it is counter productive to ponder these >>>> things, I will end my side of it by reiterating: >>>> >>> >>> As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a >>> copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar >>> to RHEL + a couple months. In fact at 8.4 release .. Stream is very >>> similar t0 RHEL 8.4 with NO WAITING. CentOS Linux 8 getting upgraded to >>> the 8.4 source code, tested, isos created, etc .. will take a month or >>> so, Stream already has all that content in it RIGHT NOW. >>> >> >> Yes, this all sounds nice, but not good enough if you put yourself in my >> shoes when I suggest my user: >> >> A. "I am going to install CentOS which is binary replica of RedHat >> Enterprise", so whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS >> [implying my reputation behind merely an ability to install binary >> packages and common sense of what binary files are there on both systems >> in questions] >> >> B. There is CentOS which is promised (I am borrowing your phrasing here) >> "WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months" >> >> but in the second case I can not put my reputation at stake and finish >> my phrase with "whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS". >> >> So my latest phrasing to my users/machine owners - which I can put my >> reputation behind - is: >> >> I am going to install Debian for you, and as in the past whatever works >> on some Linux I should be able to make work on your Debian machine. >> >> The last I can put my reputation behind, and my user knows it might not >> be as simple as installing binary packages known to work on RedHat >> Enterprise, and knows there will be some effort/time on my side involved. >> >> >> My apologies for breaking my promise to stop pondering the issue ;-( >> >> Valeri >> >>> I think that is a positive , not a negative. >>> >>> <snip> > > And as I have said several times .. if you (or anyone else) thinks > something works better or Stream does not work for you, that is fine. > Use what you want or like. > > We make what we make. If one can use it, great. If not, that's great as > well. > > This is opening up the RHEL creation process in an unbelievable way to > community involvement. I an proud to have been involved in mkae this > process so open. > Quite agree. For me, not too knowledgeable in these things person, this looks exactly what Fedoraa while ago was: huge opening of RedHat to wide open source community. Maybe Fedora didn't live up to the expectation, then good luck to CentOS to live up to this expectation. I hope, no one is offended by my - restricted - view of this, personal perception is just that and bound to be restricted to person's knowledge ;-) Valeri > I think CentOS Stream is a much more community project that CentOS Linux > ever was. I also think it is better for the open source community and > Linux distros in general. For people whole don't think this, we can > agree to disagree. it does not make either of us right or wrong. > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++