On 1/25/21 2:05 PM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > > >> Am 25.01.2021 um 17:04 schrieb Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>: >> >> On 1/22/21 5:12 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >>> On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: >>>>> Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the future, I >>>>> am looking for future distro of choice. >>>> >>>> A little mentioned choice would be openSUSE, which is direction I am taking. >>> >>> I do not like system where configuration app can overwrite manualy set >>> config. I started with ClarkConnect in 2005-2006 and to route public >>> subnet into my network I had to delete last iptables command then add my >>> own, but only after config system did it's own iptables commands. I had >>> to learn iptables before any other Linux commands and although I >>> mastered it, it is left in unpleasant memory (it took me weeks and help >>> from rare Linux admins to find a solution). >>> >>> I did try SUSE around 2000 but it was complicated to do manual changes >>> (if it was not provided in YAST), so after ClarkConnect I had no desire >>> to even experiment with YAST. >>> >>> >> >> I have no issues with OpenSUSE .. but how is OpenSUSE any better than >> CentOS Stream? > > openSUSE is honest. > > The CentOS project, RedHat, you, lied to us when you published CentOS 8 > and claiming it would be supported until 2029. We believed you because of > the good reputation you had built up with previous CentOS releases. > > We suggested CentOS 8 to our customers. And we have been badly f***ed > the a**. Sorry for the wording that you may assume, but that is how it is. > >> It is not like we are rolling rawhide packages into CentOS Stream. They >> are updating already created Enterprise Packages in current RHEL with >> Bug Fixes and Security Fixes and a small number of rebases (Enhamcments >> Fixes). But the enhancements are not from Rawhide, they are rebases >> very close to the current releases. >> >> Again .. absolutely nothing wrong with using OpenSUSE (or Ubuntu or >> Debian, etc). I just do not see the advantage. > > I see one big advantage: These are honest projects, while you are liars. > I am a lot of things (ask my ex-wife), but a liar is not one of them. I could care less if what you use, but name calling is juvenile. So was the language you used. This is a professional list. If you can't maintain some semblance of professionalism, please unsubscribe. >> >> I mean, I get it, some people are very upset with the new way CentOS is >> being done. And obviously people get to think what they think. But >> when this was announced, it was also announced that RHEL was going to be >> opened up early in Q1 of 2021 (which has happened and is still happening). > > So where is the option to install a RHEL system at a customer site, like I was > able with CentOS? > > Really, you (as in the CentOS project) totally screwed it. >