On 08.07.21 19:53, Gionatan Danti wrote: > Il 2021-07-08 16:46 Leon Fauster via CentOS ha scritto: >> Maybe "we" could fill this gap? Describe this state of EPEL? Did you >> requested such missing packages? From the early on (EL8.0) I requested >> such EPEL packages, some fedora maintainers branched there packages into >> EPEL8. Even a request for a devel package was honored and the rpm was >> included by RH later in 8.1. This is a community, so communicate! >> Everything else is a product in ready state that must be paid. > > For what it is worth, I opened various RH bugzilla enhancement request > in the 10+ years of using CentOS. One of the last: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1902781 > > That said, lets face in: current CentOS is not really a community, at > least in the sense that a community can steer the project direction. > Nobody polled for Stream or asked about it. Stream simply happened due > to an unilateral Red Hat decision. *Which is PERFECTLY fine*, unless > trying to masking it behind the "community" word. > > My view is that RH/CentOS would be relatively inadequate for many roles > without the outstanding work done by EPEL and the rest of the CentOS > community, unless you are an hyperscaler who can do its own internal > package additions. Red Hat failing to recognize the enormous value of > EPEL and former CentOS model really baffles me. Good phrased. I see it exactly like this but let me take a dialectic position just for the sake of insights. CentOS Linux (or Rocky Linux) is a downstream rebuild, right? So, the fences are already set. Right now, I am seeing a lot of requests in the Rocky forum, to add new shiny stuff to the distribution and the answer to most of this is (more or less); "we (Rocky) are a 1:1 rebuild of upstream and we can not add new stuff in an arbitrary way". So, when talking about a community then we have different concepts behind it. A RH ecosystem community is not the same as a Debian community. It was never and it will never be the same. I see the RH ecosystem as a hybrid opportunity (perspective from the outside), so not all "directions" can be influenced but there is enough room to contribute to directions especially with Stream now. PS: Do not get me wrong; the whole communication from RH about this "CentOS Change" is catastrophically. -- Leon