[CentOS] NPTL problem on Centos 4.4

fredex fredex at fcshome.stoneham.ma.us
Fri Sep 8 10:40:41 UTC 2006


On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 10:27:13PM -0500, Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:
> fredex wrote:
> 
> >I haven't contacted RH yet because my RHEL4 box is currently down due
> >to a hardware problem, and I know they won't talk to me if I say I 
> >can reproduce it on a Centos box! :)
> 
> Stupid question, but is the box in question an i586 by any chance? 
> There used to be issues with NPTL and i586 long time ago in FC2, which 
> were mostly fixed in FC3.  The fix for RHEL4 was simply not to support 
> i586 architecture (CentOS project re-added it).
> 
> So if it is an old i586 box, Red Hat ain't gonna talk to you since RHEL4 
> is not supposed to run on an i586.

Thanks for the info, I was unaware of those items.

but, no, it's a P4 (HP DL320 G2 server box, in fact).

> 
> The problem with NPTL on i586 (in FC2) was that Red Hat provided only 
> i386 and i686 versions of glibc package.  NPTL can't be efficiently 
> implemented on an i386 (it would be horribly slow).  So i386 doesn't 
> support it, and things were not working on i586 machines (kernel was 
> supporting it, but glibc didn't).  Many packages were broken because of 
> that, most notably db3 (or db4, don't remember which one was shipped 
> with FC2) and cyrus-imapd.  Workaround in FC3 was i386 package that 
> wasn't really i386-clean.  It contained NPTL support using instructions 
> that were available only on i486 and later processors (the glibc package 
> should really have been labeled i486, not i386).  In short, i386 version 
> of glibc in FC3 can't run on real i386 processor (it needs i486 at 
> minimum).  However, since they provided only i586 and i686 kernels, it 
> wasn't possible (or at least trivial) to install FC3 on real i386.  And 
> I really doubt anybody would ever attempt to install FC3 on real i386 box.
> 
> I believe (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) that CentOS 4 contains the 
> same hack in i386 version of glibc (in order to support i586 
> processors).  If you are experiencing problem on i586 box, it might be 
> possible that maintainer of glibc package in CentOS forgot to include 
> that "use i486 instructions for NPTL support when building i386 glibc" 
> hack into the latest version of glibc (4.4 shipped with new version of 
> glibc).
> 
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