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RE: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline
by Vaneet Sharma 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Well, this conversation started with me I just asked two silly questions and no where did i mention panicking or sound begging ? The reason i asked them from team was 1) i can get right answer in right time ( as there are so many distros of linux) 2) i was so eager to learn and run apache and tomcat on linux that these small things were coming as hindrance to my main aim Regarding, spoon fed, i dont think if anyone can reach the stage of joining the CENTOS mailing list is spoon fed if i can join this mailing list, install Centos on my own, run apache and run tomcat, if i can code java and restart application servers, i dont think i am spoon fed Of cours i dont know how to start centos from command line because I am not a system administrator and never was and never did. I think aim of this mailing list is to help new users get right answers in right time. There is too much information on internet which waste lot of time and also ............................ there are too many ways to do same thing. for e.g setting JAVA_HOME from bashrc and also from etc\profile Does anyone has comments from what i stated above. People here on the list have lot of ego's and they dont want to move from their point If u read my previous emails, i was criticised by 5 people, i apologised and also am thankful in giving me new direction. bottom line: if you are that much agigated, please do not answer my questions and delete the email. it is better. kind regards Vaneet -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org on behalf of Greg Knaddison Sent: Wed 3/30/2005 5:37 PM To: CentOS mailing list Cc: Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:56:00 +0100, Peter Farrow <peter(a)farrows.org> wrote: > If a question really is very simple to answer, why not just give the > answer, after all asking questions is how we all learn.... > No. RTFM and then ask questions is how we all learn. If I see a question I'm interested in that I don't know the answer to, I'll do some research and find the answer. 75% of the time that I make a post that's what it's based upon. I'm frequently happy to do it because I'm increasing my own knowledge, but when the poster is of the "I need to be spoon fed" variety and asks a follow up question that is clearly answered online it's a waste of everyone's time. Besides, how many times have you seen the "I REALLY NEED HELP RIGHT NOW OMG I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO XYZ!!!!! MY BOSS IS GOING TO FIRE ME, HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME!"? If you're used to getting spoon-fed and then get into a situation where you need help right now, spoon feeding is very unlikely to happen fast enough, but man/info/google are always there, unless you never learned to use them ;) I agree with Collins. The more people in his "group 2" the better. Respond with help and respond with a nudge. Greg _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet(a)iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email.

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RE: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline
by Vaneet Sharma 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Thank you very much Vaneet -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org on behalf of dan1 Sent: Wed 3/30/2005 9:00 PM To: CentOS mailing list Cc: Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline Hello, Vaneet. I understand and agree with what you are saying. It's true that it's becoming a bit agressive and it's sad. I think that you were right to ask those questions, and I don't think that the JAVA_HOME thing did hurt to ask. It even helped me so I'm happy you asked for. You asked only one or two basic questions but even though I think we should be able to ask them. However the rule to seach first before ask is still to keep in mind. Thus, the only thing that really misses here to my point of view is a place where we can get a search on all this precious mailing list. The google option is not very good because of the delay of inclusion (1-2 days I think) and also because we get other answers and we only want answers from here (and to be sure to have all of them), knowing that here is the most appropriate information. That's why I suggest putting on the home page of CentOS.org the following search motor's URL in the 'support' section: http://search.gmane.org/search.php?query=&email=&group=gmane.linux.centos.g… I'm sure that many new comers will appreciate it a lot. This will most probably also reduce by 2 or 3 times the amount of e-mails on this list. Kind regards to all, Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: Vaneet Sharma To: CentOS mailing list Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline Well, this conversation started with me I just asked two silly questions and no where did i mention panicking or sound begging ? The reason i asked them from team was 1) i can get right answer in right time ( as there are so many distros of linux) 2) i was so eager to learn and run apache and tomcat on linux that these small things were coming as hindrance to my main aim Regarding, spoon fed, i dont think if anyone can reach the stage of joining the CENTOS mailing list is spoon fed if i can join this mailing list, install Centos on my own, run apache and run tomcat, if i can code java and restart application servers, i dont think i am spoon fed Of cours i dont know how to start centos from command line because I am not a system administrator and never was and never did. I think aim of this mailing list is to help new users get right answers in right time. There is too much information on internet which waste lot of time and also ........................... there are too many ways to do same thing. for e.g setting JAVA_HOME from bashrc and also from etc\profile Does anyone has comments from what i stated above. People here on the list have lot of ego's and they dont want to move from their point If u read my previous emails, i was criticised by 5 people, i apologised and also am thankful in giving me new direction. bottom line: if you are that much agigated, please do not answer my questions and delete the email. it is better. kind regards Vaneet _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet(a)iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email.

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RE: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline
by Nathan Oyler 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

It isn't that you are wrong, as much as there is a perfectly valid reason not to answer those questions. Because then people will ask them. And return and ask another. They are all simple except that you become a resource, and that grows. Support Irc channels are the easiest to see this in. It isn't that it's difficult to answer these questions, it just gives no incentive for people to try and learn the answer themselves, which stunts their growth and makes them lean more on assistance. It's easier on us all to force people to try and figure out the easy answers, because if you can't figure out with google how to restart linux from the command line, how will you be able to resolve 22 dependencies with 10 perl modules that require you to debug on 3 of them error messages that.. you get the point. 2 cents. > -----Original Message----- > From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Peter Farrow > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:56 AM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline > > I agree, > > If a question really is very simple to answer, why not just give the > answer, after all asking questions is how we all learn.... > > Self importance really is ultimatelty self-defeating, no one knows > everything....and one day we all have to ask. > > I've been in the computing game far too long to to claim to know > definite answers to everything, the more you learn the more > > you realise you don't know! > > ;-) > > P. > > > > Joao Medeiros wrote: > > >Same happened to me when I joined the Fedora dlist and asked some > >newbie question which I'm too ashamed to remember now :-) > > > >Point is, the time it takes to reply with a "you're wasting my time" > >could actually be used to give some help. If peeps are too busy why > >bothering replying with nasty comments in the first place?! > > > >Just my 2 cents... > > > > > >On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:37:08 -0700, Collins Richey <crichey(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >>Every list goes through this sort of thrashing: > >> > >>1. There are some users who are too self-important to remember back > >>when they were once n00bs. From what I've heard, these are the bulk > >>of users on the Debian lists <grin>. > >> > >>2. There are others who can provide the simple answer AND a gentle > >>reminder where the n00b might find the answer him/herself. What's the > >>old saying: "You ctch more flies with honey than with vinegar." > >> > >>3. Then there is the group (actually, subcategory of 1) who never has > >>any time and can't be bothered to read anything other than > >>super-intellectual stuff and who fills the replies with "your're > >>wasting our time." > >> > >>The most successful lists have a lot of users in category 2. > >> > >>Enjoy, > >> > >>-- > >> Collins > >> When I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 million of > them, > >> it was the start of a new Arab world.... The Berlin Wall has > fallen. > >> - Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt > >>_______________________________________________ > >>CentOS mailing list > >>CentOS(a)centos.org > >>http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >CentOS mailing list > >CentOS(a)centos.org > >http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS(a)centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

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Access to Archives
by Gerry Tool 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

I just joined the list and am trying to look at the archives. The page http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos has a link to the archives that resolves to http://localhost.localdomain/pipermail/centos/ which of course produces an error "The connection was refused when attempting to contact localhost.localdomain." What am I missing, and how can I review the archives to keep from asking obviously answered questions? Thanks. Gerry

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strict selinux policy?
by Aleksandar Milivojevic 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

What happened to selinux-policy-strict package in RHEL/CentOS? -- Aleksandar Milivojevic <amilivojevic(a)pbl.ca> Pollard Banknote Limited Systems Administrator 1499 Buffalo Place Tel: (204) 474-2323 ext 276 Winnipeg, MB R3T 1L7

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Centos 4.0 and Named
by Robert Moskowitz 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

I am failing to get Named started. I copied my named.custom and zone files to a diskette from my 3.3 build. I installed 4.0 from scratch and did the updates. I edited /etc/named.conf (which I realize is a link) to include named.custom I cp named.custom into /etc (all of this was done while logged in as root) When I try to start named from the services GUI (using GNOME) and I get this error: named failed. The error was: Starting named: /etc/named.conf:67: open /etc/named.custom: file nto found /etc/init.d/named: line 56: [: too many arguements [FAILED] So what is wrong. /etc/named.custom is there. permissions look right. All done as root. Am I suppose to put named.custom in the croot area along with named.conf and set up a symbolic link (which I have forgotten how to do, as I haven't done it since '93)?

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yum upgrade on 3.4 and spamassassin
by Francois Caen 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Hello, I run CentOS 3.4 on 3 machines (i386). Original yum.conf If I do a yum update: No actions to take If I do a yum upgrade a machine that has no spamassassin: No actions to take If I do a yum upgrade on 2 machines that have perl-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.1-1 installed (3rd party rpm, more recent than the CentOS/RHEL one): I will do the following: [update: spamassassin 2.55-3.4.i386] I will install/upgrade these to satisfy the dependencies: [deps: perl-Time-HiRes 1.38-3.i386] Is this ok [y/N]: Could someone please explain this behavior? Why is yum upgrade trying to upgrade a package that is a newer 3rd party rpm, with a different name? Thanks, Francois

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RE: [CentOS] Mailscanner and Postfix
by Plant, Dean 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Peter Farrow wrote: > Dean, > > do you have any details on mailscanner with sendmail, Sendmail/ClamAV is covered in nearly all the docs for MailScanner. http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/docs.html http://www.fsl.com/support/ http://www.fsl.com/support/MailScanner-Manual-Version-1.0.1.pdf > > I am currently using Mimedefang, sendmail and clamav, as an mid stream > relay to filter viruses and spam, can mailscanner do this? Yes, we use it for exactly that. It really does work well, removing nearly all spam and virus scanning with multiple virus engines. Dean

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Mailscanner and Postfix
by Nigel Kendrick 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

I have just followed Johnny Hughes' excellent walk-through on how to install Postfix, MailScanner with ClamAV and Spamassassin and it seems to be running fine during in house testing, but I want to make sure that it behaves itself when it goes live serving about 250 users; I have read comments elsewhere both for and against the use of Mailscanner with Postfix, and when I mentioned the subject on the Postfix group I was informed I *WILL* have mail dupes and missing mail so can I have some observations from people using this setup with Centos (3.3). Also, is there a good follow up to JH's article about using that configuration with virtual mailboxes or is it easy to take the setup as outlined and 'convert' it to use them? I'm on a steep learning curve as I pull myself away from the M$ camp! Thanks

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Official Announce List Notification (Johnny Hughes) 2. test from ia64, s390 and s390x maintainer (Pasi Pirhonen) 3. CentOS-4 ia64 errata: Important: krb5 security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 4. CentOS-3 ia64 errata: Important: krb5 security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 5. CentOS-3 ia64 errata: Moderate: XFree86 security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 6. CentOS-4 i386 errata: Important: krb5 security update (Karanbir Singh) 7. CentOS-4 x86_64 errata: Important: krb5 security update (Karanbir Singh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:38:05 -0600 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] Official Announce List Notification To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Cc: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <1112157485.1303.46.camel(a)myth.home.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As you will know from recent posts, CentOS is separating from cAos to become an independent project. As part of that change we are implementing new mailing lists. The new Announce List is now active. All Errata, release announcements and the like will only be posted to the announce list. Once a day, a digest of the Announce List will be posted to the main CentOS list. That should be a compromise that everyone can live with (or that may be just wishful thinking on my part). http://lists.centos.org/mailman/options/centos-announce The announce list is moderated, and posts are only allowed by CentOS- Developers. If you are subscribed to the announce list, you can find out the password assigned to you by having it emailed to you from the above link. We were not able to transfer previous options to this list, so login and reset your options if required. The archive of posts has been transferred across to the new list manager, and posts to the old address will make it to the new list. Regards, Johnny Hughes

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