Hi all. I have a simple question: CentOS relies mostly on "yum" to keep systems up to date, although I understand that like on RHEL, "up2date" is also available. On my system I've run both KDE and GNOME as Graphical Desktops under X (though I presently run GNOME), and I've noticed that there is an applet called "CentOS Network Alert Icon" (from the "System Tools" menu) which when run appears in a "status area" in a panel to show whether the system needs updating or not. This applet shows the up2date sources, but my question is: Is there any way to have some sort of similar applet that does this for yum. I just think that when we add repos we usually add them through yum. Also when we update the system we usually use yum. Hence I think it would be better to use an applet similar to up2date's for yum so that there is no need to edit both yum and up2date files and there is consistency between when the applet signals a need for updating and the actual "yum update" command. Am I making sense?
I found a site (http://fedoranews.org/tchung/yum-applet/) with the source for a yum applet. I know I can build this for myself, but I was wondering what others on this list think and whether such an applet should be more widely available to the general CentOS audience. Can I go ahead and build this for my system? TIA for your answers.
Sincerely Jose Alburquerque
On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 00:37 -0400, José Alburquerque wrote:
Hi all. I have a simple question: CentOS relies mostly on "yum" to keep systems up to date, although I understand that like on RHEL, "up2date" is also available. On my system I've run both KDE and GNOME as Graphical Desktops under X (though I presently run GNOME), and I've noticed that there is an applet called "CentOS Network Alert Icon" (from the "System Tools" menu) which when run appears in a "status area" in a panel to show whether the system needs updating or not. This applet shows the up2date sources, but my question is: Is there any way to have some sort of similar applet that does this for yum. I just think that when we add repos we usually add them through yum. Also when we update the system we usually use yum. Hence I think it would be better to use an applet similar to up2date's for yum so that there is no need to edit both yum and up2date files and there is consistency between when the applet signals a need for updating and the actual "yum update" command. Am I making sense?
I found a site (http://fedoranews.org/tchung/yum-applet/) with the source for a yum applet. I know I can build this for myself, but I was wondering what others on this list think and whether such an applet should be more widely available to the general CentOS audience. Can I go ahead and build this for my system? TIA for your answers.
Sincerely Jose Alburquerque
The best I can tell that still uses up2date's /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file to check for updates ... it just launched GYUM instead of up2date for doing the updates.
On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 00:14 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 00:37 -0400, José Alburquerque wrote:
Hi all. I have a simple question: CentOS relies mostly on "yum" to keep systems up to date, although I understand that like on RHEL, "up2date" is also available. On my system I've run both KDE and GNOME as Graphical Desktops under X (though I presently run GNOME), and I've noticed that there is an applet called "CentOS Network Alert Icon" (from the "System Tools" menu) which when run appears in a "status area" in a panel to show whether the system needs updating or not. This applet shows the up2date sources, but my question is: Is there any way to have some sort of similar applet that does this for yum. I just think that when we add repos we usually add them through yum. Also when we update the system we usually use yum. Hence I think it would be better to use an applet similar to up2date's for yum so that there is no need to edit both yum and up2date files and there is consistency between when the applet signals a need for updating and the actual "yum update" command. Am I making sense?
I found a site (http://fedoranews.org/tchung/yum-applet/) with the source for a yum applet. I know I can build this for myself, but I was wondering what others on this list think and whether such an applet should be more widely available to the general CentOS audience. Can I go ahead and build this for my system? TIA for your answers.
Sincerely Jose Alburquerque
The best I can tell that still uses up2date's /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file to check for updates ... it just launched GYUM instead of up2date for doing the updates. _______________________________________________
This will probably become what you want, though I'm not sure how well it works now:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumApplet
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 00:37 -0400, José Alburquerque wrote:
Hi all. I have a simple question: CentOS relies mostly on "yum" to keep systems up to date, although I understand that like on RHEL, "up2date" is also available. On my system I've run both KDE and GNOME as Graphical Desktops under X (though I presently run GNOME), and I've noticed that there is an applet called "CentOS Network Alert Icon" (from the "System Tools" menu) which when run appears in a "status area" in a panel to show whether the system needs updating or not. This applet shows the up2date sources, but my question is: Is there any way to have some sort of similar applet that does this for yum. I just think that when we add repos we usually add them through yum. Also when we update the system we usually use yum. Hence I think it would be better to use an applet similar to up2date's for yum so that there is no need to edit both yum and up2date files and there is consistency between when the applet signals a need for updating and the actual "yum update" command. Am I making sense?
I found a site (http://fedoranews.org/tchung/yum-applet/) with the source for a yum applet. I know I can build this for myself, but I was wondering what others on this list think and whether such an applet should be more widely available to the general CentOS audience. Can I go ahead and build this for my system? TIA for your answers.
Sincerely Jose Alburquerque
why not just set up a cronjob once a day/nite or something if you want to be on top of updates that close... just a little yum -y update thing as root
rado wrote:
why not just set up a cronjob once a day/nite or something if you want to be on top of updates that close... just a little yum -y update thing as root
I'm sorry I didn't reply earlier, my monitor went out yesterday as I was replying and I couldn't finish the reply. I just got a temporary replacement so here's my reply: I don't think that's a good idea for my system because I'm using several repositories and want to be able to "supervise" the updates as they take place. As I understand it the wrong updates could wreak havoc on a stable system and I'm trying to keep mine as stable as possible.
I think that Johnny's link is indeed exactly what I'm looking for. Guess I'll just have to wait till that project develops further. In the mean time, it's really not that bad to use both up2date and yum at the same time. I'll just make do for now. Thanks!
Sincerely Jose Alburquerque
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
--- Jos� Alburquerque jaalburquerque@cox.net wrote:
Hi all. I have a simple question: CentOS relies mostly on "yum" to keep systems up to date, although I understand that like on RHEL, "up2date" is also available. On my system I've run both KDE and GNOME as Graphical Desktops under X (though I presently run GNOME), and I've noticed that there is an applet called "CentOS Network Alert Icon" (from the "System Tools" menu) which when run appears in a "status area" in a panel to show whether the system needs updating or not. This applet shows the up2date sources, but my question is: Is there any way to have some sort of similar applet that does this for yum. I just think that when we add repos we usually add them through yum. Also when we update the system we usually use yum. Hence I think it would be better to use an applet similar to up2date's for yum so that there is no need to edit both yum and up2date files and there is consistency between when the applet signals a need for updating and the actual "yum update" command. Am I making sense?
I found a site (http://fedoranews.org/tchung/yum-applet/) with the source for a yum applet. I know I can build this for myself, but I was wondering what others on this list think and whether such an applet should be more widely available to the general CentOS audience. Can I go ahead and build this for my system? TIA for your answers.
Sincerely Jose Alburquerque
Incase you did not know, the link someone gave to yum applet applies to Fedora 4, 5 and onwards. CentOS 4 is based on RHEL which was in turn based on Fedora core 3. For the statisticians the 87% of the packages in FC3 appeared unmodified in nahant beta. In Fedora Core 3 and earlier the familiar rhn applet notifies you when updates are available. Read between the line when consulting Fedora material beacuse it mostly appies to FC5 or FC4 all newer than CentOS. CentOS 5 will be based on RHEL 5 which will be based on FC5 (minus the annoying bugs and stuff upstream do not want to support).
This situation may be confusing to people who may not be aware of the development chain.
CentOS 4 has already a working applet rhn-applet-2.1.24-3.centos4.i386.rpm available in the base directory.
__________________________________________________ Improve the mailing list by performing a simple search before posting and reading the FAQ/etiquette. Protect the integrity of your installation with the yum plugins.
__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Mike Stankovic wrote:
--- Jos� Alburquerque jaalburquerque@cox.net wrote:
I found a site (http://fedoranews.org/tchung/yum-applet/) with the source for a yum applet. I know I can build this for myself, but I was wondering what others on this list think and whether such an applet should be more widely available to the general CentOS audience. Can I go ahead and build this for my system? TIA for your answers.
Sincerely Jose Alburquerque
Incase you did not know, the link someone gave to yum applet applies to Fedora 4, 5 and onwards. CentOS 4 is based on RHEL which was in turn based on Fedora core 3. For the statisticians the 87% of the packages in FC3 appeared unmodified in nahant beta. In Fedora Core 3 and earlier the familiar rhn applet notifies you when updates are available. Read between the line when consulting Fedora material beacuse it mostly appies to FC5 or FC4 all newer than CentOS. CentOS 5 will be based on RHEL 5 which will be based on FC5 (minus the annoying bugs and stuff upstream do not want to support).
This situation may be confusing to people who may not be aware of the development chain.
I'm not sure if you're referring to the link I gave, but the author of the "yum-applet" provided rpm packages for FC1 and FC2 and at the very top of the page there is a link for FC3 packages (http://fedoranews.org/tchung/gyum/2.0/) which, as you said, would work well with CentOS 4 (which I understand has a lot of FC3). I do agree though, as you said, that we should be careful about what Fedora material we use in our systems.
CentOS 4 has already a working applet rhn-applet-2.1.24-3.centos4.i386.rpm available in the base directory.
The rhn-applet presently works with up2date. The problem, as I said, is that a "yum compatible" applet would be nice.
Sincerely Jose Alburquerque
José Alburquerque wrote:
CentOS 4 has already a working applet rhn-applet-2.1.24-3.centos4.i386.rpm available in the base directory.
The rhn-applet presently works with up2date. The problem, as I said, is that a "yum compatible" applet would be nice.
up2date on CentOS uses a yum-backend, and not the rhn code :) so indirectly you still get yum repositories for updating against.
having said that, the rhn-applet has huge in memory requirements, would be good to see a replacement which is lighter.
-
Johnny Hughes -
José Alburquerque -
Karanbir Singh -
Mike Stankovic -
rado -
Shawn K. O'Shea