I've been getting over the last months several of these notices. Sometimes a few per day. What's the problem? Can't this be avoided?
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centos@centos.org: mail forwarding loop for centos@centos.org
Final-Recipient: rfc822; centos@centos.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;centos@centos.org Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for centos@centos.org
Kai
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 11:31 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
centos@centos.org: mail forwarding loop for centos@centos.org
Final-Recipient: rfc822; centos@centos.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;centos@centos.org Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for centos@centos.org
--- So you you only just got them when sending a message to the list? I get them also at random it seems but the message will still make into the list though you get the error. I did bring it to Ralphs attention a few months back, but I thought it was just me getting them.
John
JohnS wrote on Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:42:19 -0400:
So you you only just got them when sending a message to the list?
Yep. And it makes it to the list, yes.
Kai
Kai Schaetzl wrote:
I've been getting over the last months several of these notices. Sometimes a few per day. What's the problem? Can't this be avoided?
The mail systemcentos@centos.org: mail forwarding loop for centos@centos.org
I haven't the faintest idea *why* those happen. Especially as the mails in question do make it through to the list (and I never got one of those, so I cannot really look at all the headers).
There is a user "centos" on that machine, but as aliases >> local users in postfix context, I'm really out of ideas.
Ralph
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On
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Of Ralph Angenendt Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:15 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Mailing List "mail forwarding loop"
Kai Schaetzl wrote:
I've been getting over the last months several of these notices.
Sometimes
a few per day. What's the problem? Can't this be avoided?
The mail systemcentos@centos.org: mail forwarding loop for centos@centos.org
I haven't the faintest idea *why* those happen. Especially as the mails in question do make it through to the list (and I never got one of those, so I cannot really look at all the headers).
There is a user "centos" on that machine, but as aliases >> local users in postfix context, I'm really out of ideas.
I got those denied messages as well from this list, but always thought it was a side-effect of our university's gray-listing scheme or some such. Seems I was not the only one with (slight) problems.
Kai Schaetzl wrote:
I've been getting over the last months several of these notices. Sometimes a few per day. What's the problem? Can't this be avoided?
The mail systemcentos@centos.org: mail forwarding loop for centos@centos.org
I haven't the faintest idea *why* those happen. Especially as the mails in question do make it through to the list (and I never got one of those, so I cannot really look at all the headers).
There is a user "centos" on that machine, but as aliases >> local users in postfix context, I'm really out of ideas.
i got one as well and when i looked in the headers it appears to be getting generated via a ohio state trying to reinject the message back to the list.
Received: from meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu (meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu [128.146.117.124]) by mail.centos.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8326B67B45 for centos@centos.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gollum.asc.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.117.98]) by meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:33:36 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by gollum.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:33:34 -0400 Received: from exchange.asc.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.117.123]) by meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:18:04 -0400 Received: from tnc-mta-2.it.ohio-state.edu ([140.254.54.48]) by exchange.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:41:16 -0400
Joe Pruett wrote:
i got one as well and when i looked in the headers it appears to be getting generated via a ohio state trying to reinject the message back to the list.
$STRONG_SWEARWORD
Received: from meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu (meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu [128.146.117.124]) by mail.centos.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8326B67B45 for centos@centos.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gollum.asc.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.117.98]) by meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:33:36 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by gollum.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:33:34 -0400 Received: from exchange.asc.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.117.123]) by meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:18:04 -0400 Received: from tnc-mta-2.it.ohio-state.edu ([140.254.54.48]) by exchange.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:41:16 -0400
And this, people, is why you do *NOT* want any MS product to touch your mail.
Anyone here from ohio-state.edu who can drop by there and give someone a hefty smack from me?
Joe, thank you very much.
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:36:50 +0200:
Anyone here from ohio-state.edu who can drop by there and give someone a hefty smack from me?
It's not only them. I wasn't aware that the headers are included in those messages. Here's the one from yesterday:
Received: from exprod5og104.obsmtp.com (exprod5og104.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.178]) by mail.centos.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D02C67981 for centos@centos.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from source ([4.79.213.129]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob104.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSjeFViwAMh86nSjs2Sws3+olJxTk7VZO@postini.com; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:43:29 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.37]) by Alpmlip09.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 16 Jun 2009 07:43:18 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:41:50 -0400 Received: from Cinmlip04.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.144.20]) by cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:34:45 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO psmtp.com) ([64.18.0.76]) by Cinmlip04.e2k.ad.ge.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2009 04:33:06 -0400 Received: from source ([72.26.200.202]) by exprod5mx217.postini.com ([64.18.4.13]) with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:33:05 GMT Received: from mail.centos.org (voxeldev.centos.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.centos.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1126F7FC; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:31:32 -0400 (EDT)
So, in this case it seems to be cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com doing it.
Kai
Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:36:50 +0200:
Anyone here from ohio-state.edu who can drop by there and give someone a hefty smack from me?
It's not only them.
Well, they still deserve one :)
Received: from mail pickup service by cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:41:50 -0400 Received: from Cinmlip04.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.144.20]) by cinmlef06.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:34:45 -0400
This seems to be the culprit (some pickup service, which at once reinjects the messages). I have seen that a few times now in other contexts.
Cheers,
Ralph
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 17:36 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Joe Pruett wrote:
i got one as well and when i looked in the headers it appears to be getting generated via a ohio state trying to reinject the message back to the list.
$STRONG_SWEARWORD
Received: from meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu (meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu [128.146.117.124]) by mail.centos.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8326B67B45 for centos@centos.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gollum.asc.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.117.98]) by meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:33:36 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by gollum.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:33:34 -0400 Received: from exchange.asc.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.117.123]) by meriadoc.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:18:04 -0400 Received: from tnc-mta-2.it.ohio-state.edu ([140.254.54.48]) by exchange.asc.ohio-state.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:41:16 -0400
And this, people, is why you do *NOT* want any MS product to touch your mail.
Anyone here from ohio-state.edu who can drop by there and give someone a hefty smack from me?
Joe, thank you very much.
Ralph
--- That's not alway s true though. I have sent mail to the list via Exchange Server and no problem, YET. I get the problem when I send through gmail.
John
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:15:20 +0200:
There is a user "centos" on that machine, but as aliases >> local users in postfix context, I'm really out of ideas.
I think there must be some forwards that temporarily do not work or create a loop condition. Btw, it's happening only since a year or so. Or it's a misconfigured Exchange system that passes the mail thru again to centos@centos.org which then gets detected.
Kai
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