-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of John Plemons Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 16:58 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

Try network solutions...

No ssh....

john

Jason Pyeron wrote:

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Can I get some recommendations:

We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with

1: SLA 2: SSH access 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries /

compile source.

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Would like them to include http/https and email.

Any suggestions?

-Jason

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In article 49D526BF.7020509@mavin.com, John Plemons centos@centos.org wrote:

Try network solutions...

I've never found them to be a good solution. There are plenty around that are a lot better!

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John R Pierce wrote:

Jason Pyeron wrote:

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Can I get some recommendations:

We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with

godaddy is a registrar, not a hosting service. they pretend to be the latter, but seriously...

i'd be looking for someone providing either VPS or dedicated servers. you get root, you get to configure. lots and lots of choices.

I'm currently using linode. I have CentOS running in a xen there.

My site is small low traffic, I can't vouch for how well it works in high traffic sites, but it is really nice to have full control.

You probably will have some updating to do - the only CentOS image available when I signed up was 5.0 but it yum updates no problem.

To those that have sent off list emails, thank you.

-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dukes Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 18:30 To: 'CentOS mailing list' Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

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-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jason Pyeron Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:55 PM To: 'CentOS mailing list' Subject: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

Can I get some recommendations:

We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with

0: we do not want the admin responsibility for the box. We even don't want to change configurations.

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1: SLA

We have a shared account with godaddy, and they told us that there is a known issue with connectivity (actually it was server load of 2x # of cpus) and we could not be relocated to another server, and if we wanted expidited response we would have to pay 150$/hour.

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2: SSH access

We only want to chage our files, get our logs

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3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.

cd html.swap && svn up && cd .. && mv html html.swap2 && mv html.swap html && mv html.swap2 html

Or change the svn up with a rsync -e ssh

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Would like them to include http/https and email.

Any suggestions?

-Jason

I have used godaddy for hosting my e-commerce site for years. You probably need to go with one of their shared servers or dedicated servers. You won't get what you need in a hosting plan.

That is what we have.

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Warren Young schrieb:

Jason Pyeron wrote:

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0: we do not want the admin responsibility for the box. We even don't want to change configurations.

But you do want to install software. It's possible to install some kinds of software without root access, but you're cutting yourself off from a huge world of software that doesn't allow this.

I think you do not understand: he wants a managed VPS/manged root server.

Actually, my employer does provide those, but they are no bargains.

You get CentOS, though ;-)

Rainer

Rainer Duffner wrote:

I think you do not understand: he wants a managed VPS/manged root server. Actually, my employer does provide those, but they are no bargains. You get CentOS, though ;-)

how about getting the project one ?

Rainer Duffner wrote:

Also, it's not my call to hand out free VPSs ;-)

I didnt realise it was only VPS's you did - your email seemed to imply there were real iron on offer too.

But I could certainly ask. What do you want to do with it?

The entire centos infrastructure is built from donated hardware and network - and we can always use more machines in there for the mirror.centos.org and the mirror content distribution setup.

Rainer Duffner wrote:

VPS is only something that came up recently because real iron got too fast for single projects.

you must be joking. I find its quite easy to max out an 8 core machine on cpu cycles running a few dozen rsync's

How much space does a mirror need?

Ideally, 4 disk 300 GB in a raid1+0 is on a decent network link is ideal. Otherwise 2x500gb's in raid1 work too.

try slicehost.com

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:

Rainer Duffner wrote:

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Also, it's not my call to hand out free VPSs ;-)

I didnt realise it was only VPS's you did - your email seemed to imply there were real iron on offer too.

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But I could certainly ask. What do you want to do with it?

The entire centos infrastructure is built from donated hardware and network - and we can always use more machines in there for the mirror.centos.org and the mirror content distribution setup.

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-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Warren Young Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:30 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Godaddy hell...

Jason Pyeron wrote:

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0: we do not want the admin responsibility for the box. We

even don't

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want to change configurations.

But you do want to install software. It's possible to install some kinds of software without root access, but you're cutting yourself off from a huge world of software that doesn't allow this.

Exactly. We will only need to push our "web application" and pull our logs.

You can maybe install some simple CGI programs, and you'll have to build everything from source, because you can't change the RPM DB, you can't make servers listen on ports < 1024, you'll have to reconfigure/rebuild anything that wants to put config files in /etc.... I don't see why you'd shackle yourself like that. You don't get "yum install thingy" without root access.

We can use rsync over ssh, scp, or subversion over ssh/https to do our push and pulls. No need for more ... (insert 640k jokes)

Everyone's pushing you to one of the VPS providers because that's what all the cool kids are doing now that VM technology is commoditized.

I do not have an opinion on this.

And on that note, we use VPSLink. Their parent company, Spry, offers VPSes with more hand-holding, at a higher price. You can get VPSes from either with various flavors of CentOS on them.

Not insearch of hand holding, but out sourced responsibility, hence the SLA.

And I can warn you off of WebIntellects. Not bad people, but I left them because their systems management policies were too lackadaisical.

Good to know, this is the Godaddy issue right now.

If you were willing to monitor your site 24x7 from the outside, you could maintain good uptimes.

Not willing to take responsibility, but willing to pay for it.

Otherwise, your site could be down for hours until you noticed it, but they would start counting the downtime from the time your reported the problem, not from when it actually went down.

Could automate: * * * * * pingscript.sh || emailsupportscript.sh

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"Jason Pyeron" jpyeron@pdinc.us writes:

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Everyone's pushing you to one of the VPS providers because that's what all the cool kids are doing now that VM technology is commoditized.

I do not have an opinion on this.

I think people are pushing the VPS service because people who are interested in administering the OS are likely to want the provider to handle the hardware and network, but let them handle the Linux stuff. this is where the responsibility is split on a VPS.

And it is a very clean and clear line, which I like. I am responsible for the [virtual] hardware and network, you are responsible for the Linux bits. Very clear. when you are down, you know who is responsible.

(I am a vps provider, but I am not what you want. I do have a SLA on the hardware/network, but I don't even have a login account on your VPS. I like it. I get to play with the bits I like. )

another note: I would focus less on SLA and more on how often they are down (and how open they are about downtime. Hiding downtime is a very bad sign.) Does a free month really make up for any significant amount of downtime?

If you want that line to be between your code and whatever language/framework you wrote your app in, you need to get specialized hosting for that language/app.

You are probably going to pay more for this than for more 'generic' hosting or even than for VPS hosting, but if you aren't good at or don't like being a SysAdmin, well, it's probably worth it.

Personally, I think you should ask on a mailing list for whatever your webapp is written in. I know there are several hosting companies who specialize in doing what you want for ruby on rails, and thousands who specialize in doing this for PHP.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Luke S Crawford lsc@prgmr.com wrote:

"Jason Pyeron" jpyeron@pdinc.us writes:

<snip>

another note:  I would focus less on SLA and more on how often they are down (and how open they are about downtime.  Hiding downtime is a very bad sign.)  Does a free month really make up for any significant amount of downtime?

And, on their connectivity. My sites are on shared servers in two different OLM DCs, in CT. Multiple providers for connectivity. A day or two ago, there was some problem/error caused by AT&T and *everything* was offline, in the Stratford, CT DC, for 45 minutes or an hour. Despite the best laid plans OLM has made and their redundant connectivity, the DC was offline. Also, look at their emergency power. The other DC is in an area that lost power a week or so ago and it's nice that their emergency generators and UPS can keep things up and running, as was the case. The kind of DC the server is in can make a lot of difference. Look at the information about the DC your server will be in and who is there, if there's a disaster at Midnight or 1 A.M., as happened in the Stratford DC a day or two ago... I know OLM does everything possible, to try to keep disasters from happening. Be sure the DC you select does the same! Infrastructure is costly and important. <snip>

I know on http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ one can find someone or a company to "Manage" a Dedicated server or VPS, but as with any "Managed" service, the OP and his company should completely understand what their "Management" does or does not include. I suspect it will cost more, for a "Fully Managed" dedicated or vps from the provider, than buying the services separately, but not sure about that.

2009/4/2 Ron Blizzard rb4centos@gmail.com:

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jason Pyeron jpyeron@pdinc.us wrote:

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Can I get some recommendations

Check with dreamhost.com.

Scott Silva wrote:

on 4-2-2009 1:54 PM Jason Pyeron spake the following:

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Can I get some recommendations:

We are looking for a hosting provider (other than godaddy) with

1: SLA 2: SSH access 3: subversion/rsync or the ability to install binaries / compile source.

Would like them to include http/https and email.

Have a look at the hosting providers that sponsor CentOS. After all they are part of the reason CentOS is so good!

http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=15

I have personal experience with one of those though -- Superb.

Their name is a misnomer, unless it is used as an adverb describing bad.

I've had great service from liquidweb.com, but they aren't cheap.

Take care,

Kurt

Niki Kovacs wrote: <snip>

I'm in France (Europe),

<snip>

C'mon, Niki! Give us a break. Our knowledge of world geography is not THAT bad on this side of the Atlantic. :-)

On a more serious note, I was thinking while reading the list the morning what a great statement it makes for the dedication of the guys who make CentOS work and for their product, that there are questions about providers, software choices and general banter only 2 days after the release of several hundred megabytes of updated software being glommed by hundreds of thousands of users. Thanks!