I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
Tar in its various forms are fine for some items, like home directories, but dump and restore in FreeBSD also gave me the possibility of easily doing a bare metal restore.
What are my options for command line only backups? What is everyone else using?
I do know about Bacula and Amanda... I don't know, maybe I have been using FreeBSD for too long.
Thanks,
Erin
Quoting Erin Fortenberry Erin@Fortenberry.net:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
Tar in its various forms are fine for some items, like home directories, but dump and restore in FreeBSD also gave me the possibility of easily doing a bare metal restore.
What are my options for command line only backups? What is everyone else using?
I do know about Bacula and Amanda... I don't know, maybe I have been using FreeBSD for too long.
Have you considered Arkeia? http://www.arkeia.com They offer Arkeia Light - which is free for very small installations.
Barry
On 4/4/06, Barry Brimer barry.brimer@bigfoot.com wrote:
Quoting Erin Fortenberry Erin@Fortenberry.net:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on
only
using tar/star for backups?
Tar in its various forms are fine for some items, like home directories,
but
dump and restore in FreeBSD also gave me the possibility of easily doing
a
bare metal restore.
What are my options for command line only backups? What is everyone else using?
I do know about Bacula and Amanda... I don't know, maybe I have been
using
FreeBSD for too long.
Have you considered Arkeia? http://www.arkeia.com They offer Arkeia Light - which is free for very small installations.
I've just checked and there doesn't seem to be an option for 'Arkeia
Light'. Their products now seem to be called 'Arkeia Network Backup' and 'Arkeia Smart Backup'. Perhaps your version is old and no longer in production or maintained.
Sharon.
Barry Brimer wrote:
Have you considered Arkeia? http://www.arkeia.com They offer Arkeia Light - which is free for very small installations.
Even if you're willing to pay, Arkeia is great. The support team is top-notch and will work with you until your get a problem solved. I have nothing but good things to say about their product and team. I run the server daemon on a CentOS4 box (the RHEL4 rpm install).
-te
On Apr 4, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
if dump is what you're used to, keep using it. dump/restore are part of CentOS:
[shuff@vecna ~]$ rpm -qi dump Name : dump Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.4b39 Vendor: CentOS Release : 3.EL4.2 Build Date: Tue 23 Aug 2005 05:32:49 AM EDT Install Date: Mon 21 Nov 2005 08:29:21 AM EST Build Host: build1- i386 Group : Applications/Archiving Source RPM: dump-0.4b39-3.EL4.2.src.rpm Size : 1588834 License: BSD Signature : DSA/SHA1, Tue 23 Aug 2005 06:09:50 AM EDT, Key ID a53d0bab443e1821Packager : Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org URL : http://dump.sourceforge.net Summary : Programs for backing up and restoring ext2/ext3 filesystems. Description : The dump package contains both dump and restore. Dump examines files in a filesystem, determines which ones need to be backed up, and copies those files to a specified disk, tape, or other storage medium. The restore command performs the inverse function of dump; it can restore a full backup of a filesystem. Subsequent incremental backups can then be layered on top of the full backup. Single files and directory subtrees may also be restored from full or partial backups.
Install dump if you need a system for both backing up filesystems and restoring filesystems after backups.
--- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v
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On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 10:43:07AM -0400, Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
I'm using dump/restore on CentOS.
AFAIK, it is the best "backup software" avaliable.
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- -- Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@suespammers.org "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 12:20 -0300, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 10:43:07AM -0400, Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
I'm using dump/restore on CentOS.
AFAIK, it is the best "backup software" avaliable.
Just for the record ... at one time there were issues with dump/restore and selinux extended attributes. These are now supposed to be fixed.
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 12:20 -0300, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 10:43:07AM -0400, Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
I'm using dump/restore on CentOS.
AFAIK, it is the best "backup software" avaliable.
Just for the record ... at one time there were issues with dump/restore and selinux extended attributes. These are now supposed to be fixed.
That was actually one of the reasons I got into the habit of disabling SELinux. (Hi Craig!) ;-)
Cheers,
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 11:33 -0400, Chris Mauritz wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 12:20 -0300, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 10:43:07AM -0400, Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
I'm using dump/restore on CentOS.
AFAIK, it is the best "backup software" avaliable.
Just for the record ... at one time there were issues with dump/restore and selinux extended attributes. These are now supposed to be fixed.
That was actually one of the reasons I got into the habit of disabling SELinux. (Hi Craig!) ;-)
---- AFAICT, that's been fixed in dump since last June so you would probably have to find other justifications.
Craig
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 10:43:07AM -0400, Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
I'm using dump/restore on CentOS.
AFAIK, it is the best "backup software" avaliable.
I agree. I install an extra disk and do a disk to disk dump. Periodically, I compress/download the dumps and store them offsite. I "discovered" dump back in the BSDI 1.0 days (my God...15 years ago...hehe) and haven't felt like I needed anything more complex since then. It just plain works.
Cheers,
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Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 10:43:07AM -0400, Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using
dump/restore for many
years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am
I stuck on only
using tar/star for backups?
I'm using dump/restore on CentOS.
AFAIK, it is the best "backup software" avaliable.
I agree. I install an extra disk and do a disk to disk dump. Periodically, I compress/download the dumps and store them offsite. I "discovered" dump back in the BSDI 1.0 days (my God...15 years ago...hehe) and haven't felt like I needed anything more complex since then. It just plain works.
This is where I sit with FreeBSD. In version 5.x and up, you can snapshot the slice (partition) to make sure everything goes nice. It seems after reading http://dump.sourceforge.net/ that we are not there yet on Linux. No matter. I run mostly web and email servers and other then MySQL the drives to not change all that much, I will just make sure I make use of sync. MySQL in FreeBSD (and I am sure Linux) keeps its table files in a state of corruption (as per fsck), so I just make sure I do database dumps twice daily.
Thanks again.
-Erin
On 4/4/06, Erin Fortenberry Erin@fortenberry.net wrote:
This is where I sit with FreeBSD. In version 5.x and up, you can snapshot the slice (partition) to make sure everything goes nice. It seems after reading http://dump.sourceforge.net/ that we are not there yet on Linux.
Earlier versions of CentOS 4 had bugs relating to snapshots, but those should all be fixed in CentOS 4.3. (Note that the FAQ on dump.sourceforge.net is a few years old.) I think that CentOS 3 also has stable snapshotting capability, but I'm not certain.
Josh Kelley
Anyone using Bacula? I'm looking at this because I want all my data on a mixed environment to get backed up over the network to a single place.
-Jason
Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
Tar in its various forms are fine for some items, like home directories, but dump and restore in FreeBSD also gave me the possibility of easily doing a bare metal restore.
What are my options for command line only backups? What is everyone else using?
I do know about Bacula and Amanda... I don't know, maybe I have been using FreeBSD for too long.
Thanks,
Erin
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On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Jason Sutherland wrote:
Anyone using Bacula? I'm looking at this because I want all my data on a mixed environment to get backed up over the network to a single place.
Our Bacula server (director and storage daemon) runs on CentOS 3, with a mix of CentOS 4 and Mac OS X clients. It works fine -- as long as you don't expect SELinux contexts to get archived correctly.
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 09:43, Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
Tar in its various forms are fine for some items, like home directories, but dump and restore in FreeBSD also gave me the possibility of easily doing a bare metal restore.
What are my options for command line only backups? What is everyone else using?
I do know about Bacula and Amanda... I don't know, maybe I have been using FreeBSD for too long.
If you want on-line disk storage, look at backuppc (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/). It uses compression and pooling of duplicates to keep much more online than you would expect and has a nice web interface for browsing backups and doing restores. It doesn't do bare metal restores by itself, but it can give you a tar image that can be installed through your install disk booted in rescue mode or one of the live CDs like knoppix.
Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
I use a variation of snapshot + dump for fast backups on a fc4 box. I would expect it to work on centos as well. Basically I use LVM and create a volume group on a large drive. Then create a logical partition using 50% or less of the volume group. Once a week I create a read only snapshot of the logical partition which takes about 2 seconds. Then I dump the snapshot to tape and delete the snapshot partition. I don't even have unmount the filesystem so it works well on a live system (atleast in my experience).
Dale Sykora wrote:
Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
I use a variation of snapshot + dump for fast backups on a fc4 box. I would expect it to work on centos as well. Basically I use LVM and create a volume group on a large drive. Then create a logical partition using 50% or less of the volume group. Once a week I create a read only snapshot of the logical partition which takes about 2 seconds. Then I dump the snapshot to tape and delete the snapshot partition. I don't even have unmount the filesystem so it works well on a live system (atleast in my experience). _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I use dump and restore on Centos.... no problems... dump doesn't do the ACL stuff in SELinux, but I don't use SELinux "enhancements" anyway....
P.
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 00:59 +0100, Peter Farrow wrote:
Dale Sykora wrote:
Erin Fortenberry wrote:
I am a long time FreeBSD user and have been using dump/restore for many years for disk to disk backups.
Now I am getting more and more into FC4 and CentOS, but am I stuck on only using tar/star for backups?
I use a variation of snapshot + dump for fast backups on a fc4 box. I would expect it to work on centos as well. Basically I use LVM and create a volume group on a large drive. Then create a logical partition using 50% or less of the volume group. Once a week I create a read only snapshot of the logical partition which takes about 2 seconds. Then I dump the snapshot to tape and delete the snapshot partition. I don't even have unmount the filesystem so it works well on a live system (atleast in my experience). _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I use dump and restore on Centos.... no problems... dump doesn't do the ACL stuff in SELinux, but I don't use SELinux "enhancements" anyway....
---- the changelog in dump suggests otherwise but I don't have first hand experience.
Craig
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