On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Benjamin Smith wrote:

2. Application windows don't alt-tab between them. So, if you have

two or three terminal windows open, you have to use the mouse to switch. (AGUHG!)

Don't want to start any kind of argument here... I like and use both CentOS and Mac OS X. Just an FYI, most (and yes there are some exceptions I believe) Mac OS X apps allow you to cycle between windows with Command (Apple)-` , including terminal. Before I found that, very frustrated as well...

Tarun

Hi Benjamin,

I agree with you. Mac OS X is far from perfect and has its annoyances. Nevertheless it's desktop capabilities have sold me on it, even though I administer linux servers & write apps for them on a daily basis. I find OS X much more productive than any Linux distro, but that is my personal preference and work habit that makes it so.

A couple of pointers though for you, that might help reduce your frustration with OS X

1) You can use Virtue (http://virtuedesktops.info/), it works well and pretty neat.

2) You can Apple+Tab between applications, then Apple+` to go cycle through the window of one app. Let's not forget Expose as well if you have a multi button mouse (I personally have a MX1000 and each button is programmed to fire a different Expose action - really convenient)

3) The dock can be fully disabled if you hate it so much and it is not enough to hide it. Look on macosxhints.com

4) No solution here - It is true it requires a little bit of mind games here to find the right window, first click the app, then cycle through the windows using the keyboard or explode them via Expose. I use NX to connect to my Linux Desktop and I have to get re-accustomed to the task-bar myself each time, while it is more direct to your app, it is not workable when you have 10 apps open with several window in each where you are back hunting for your window.

If you are luck enough to own a MacBookPro, then buy Parallels and run Windows & Linux as a guest virtual machine, the performances are very good and you will have the best of each world. If you use Virtue like I suggest in 1), you can have each OS running full screen in a virtual desktop which makes it look so transparent and pleasing...

Anyway, hope those hints help!

Cheers!

Sébastien

On Oct 25, 2006, at 7:32 PM, Benjamin Smith wrote:

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Just out of curiousity, why replace OSX with Centos?

Mike

'Cause it's just better. Among other things, MacOS has the following problems that DRIVE ME UP THE WALL:

1. Multiple Desktops, or, at least, the lack thereof. Yeah, Leopord

will come with 'spaces', but if it isn't released, it isn't released.

2. Application windows don't alt-tab between them. So, if you have

two or three terminal windows open, you have to use the mouse to switch. (AGUHG!)

3. The dock is easy to use, but just irritating to me. It succeeds

in being pretty and consuming useful desktop space without providing much useful information at all. It's like a pretty girl with rocks in her head

• nice to

look at at first, but no fun to live with!

4. No task bar. (Hey, it's easy to jump straight to whatever you

want by hitting the button, without having to "hunt" for it based on whether or not you minimized it)

OTOH, I have to support Mac OSX with our client-side software - so being able to run Linux, Windows, and OSX on a single machine without alot of pain would be very, very nice. (but I'm starting to get my reservations)

-Ben

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Benjamin Smith wrote:

2. Application windows don't alt-tab between them. So, if you have two or three terminal windows open, you have to use the mouse to switch. (AGUHG!)

Use the command key plus the left or right arrow.

4. No task bar. (Hey, it's easy to jump straight to whatever you want by hitting the button, without having to "hunt" for it based on whether or not you minimized it)

For me, Command+Tab is a much faster way to cycle apps, but ymmv.

Benjamin Smith wrote:

...

Just out of curiousity, why replace OSX with Centos?

Mike

'Cause it's just better. Among other things, MacOS has the following problems that DRIVE ME UP THE WALL:

1. Multiple Desktops, or, at least, the lack thereof. Yeah, Leopord will come

with 'spaces', but if it isn't released, it isn't released.

2. Application windows don't alt-tab between them. So, if you have two or

three terminal windows open, you have to use the mouse to switch. (AGUHG!)

3. The dock is easy to use, but just irritating to me. It succeeds in being

pretty and consuming useful desktop space without providing much useful information at all. It's like a pretty girl with rocks in her head - nice to look at at first, but no fun to live with!

4. No task bar. (Hey, it's easy to jump straight to whatever you want by

hitting the button, without having to "hunt" for it based on whether or not you minimized it)

OTOH, I have to support Mac OSX with our client-side software - so being able to run Linux, Windows, and OSX on a single machine without alot of pain would be very, very nice. (but I'm starting to get my reservations)

-Ben

Not debating anything here, but just wanted to point out...

1) very true

2) works for me and every mac I have.

3) I take the apps out, shrink the icons and "auto hide" it.

4) expose - pretty cool shortcuts there.

Dustin

On 10/26/06, Benjamin Smith lists@benjamindsmith.com wrote:

I've gotten feedback on how to use OSX, but no feedback on using CentOS on a Macbook Pro. Is that to mean that nobody uses CentOS natively on an Intel Macbook Pro?

I'd find that completely believable. BootCamp has to supply a driver CD to install in XP for Windows to be able to dual-boot. If there aren't XP drivers for the Mac hardware, what are the odds there are Linux drivers for it?