Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD variation for the current or future releases?
For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single layer DVD.
Thanks for your time, -Brendan
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 6:47 PM Brendan Brewster brendan.brewster@gmail.com wrote:
Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD variation for the current or future releases?
For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single layer DVD.
Thanks for your time, -Brendan
The main x86_64 release still maintains the DVD spin release and it is the recommended image for most users; from 7.6.1810 isos/x86_64/0_README.txt-
"CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-1810.iso
This DVD image contains all the packages that can be installed using the installer. This is the recommended image for most users."
One would think that since the initiative of this project is in support of older hardware that it would continue to be made available for those that need to burn a DVD and can't use a thumb drive and to remain inline with the main project in this regard :) It was made available up through 7.4.1708 for AltArch i386.
If someone could point me in the right direction, maybe I could be of help to make this available. Or, if there is a reason this can't be made available, this might be useful insight for myself and possible other users.
-Brendan
On 2/2/19 5:47 PM, Brendan Brewster wrote:
Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD variation for the current or future releases?
For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single layer DVD.
Currently all the Alternative arches get the same ISOs .. which are Everything, Minimal, NetInstall. (except of course for armhfp .. were the install is very different).
It takes a bunch of extra work / testing to develop the DVD install ISO. It requires a unique package list to only include items needed from the installer.
I would say that the best way to install CentOS is with the Minimal install and yum groups afterwards .. or a net install.
I will never say never, but unless we have some community people develop the file lists for point release time, I don't see us doing more ISOs type for several reasons. two of which are:
1) It is very chaotic at point release time and people want things faster than we can release them. Developing the file lists that can make the DVD installer work OK takes time we don't really have.
2) Adding 20 or 30 more GB of to our mirrors , when scaled to 600 or so mirrors worldwide is a lot of extra storage and bandwidth.
If we eliminate the Everything ISO we might do DVD only .. BUT .. i am usually afraid to do that.
Anyway .. x86_64 is the main supported architecture and we don't currently plan to add more isos, certainly not without help maintaining the file lists that a DVD iso would require. More important than the list is the install testing to make sure it all works before release.
Here is the repo where we maintain lists and comps (group) files: https://git.centos.org/summary/sig-core!comps.git
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 2/2/19 5:47 PM, Brendan Brewster wrote:
Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD variation for the current or future releases?
For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single layer DVD.
Currently all the Alternative arches get the same ISOs .. which are Everything, Minimal, NetInstall. (except of course for armhfp .. were the install is very different).
It takes a bunch of extra work / testing to develop the DVD install ISO. It requires a unique package list to only include items needed from the installer.
I would say that the best way to install CentOS is with the Minimal install and yum groups afterwards .. or a net install.
<snip> Johnny, I'm very much against the minimal, given that it doesn't seem to set up networking... nor does it appear to install perl, based on some recent experience.
mark
On 3/22/19 8:53 AM, mark wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 2/2/19 5:47 PM, Brendan Brewster wrote:
Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD variation for the current or future releases?
For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single layer DVD.
Currently all the Alternative arches get the same ISOs .. which are Everything, Minimal, NetInstall. (except of course for armhfp .. were the install is very different).
It takes a bunch of extra work / testing to develop the DVD install ISO. It requires a unique package list to only include items needed from the installer.
I would say that the best way to install CentOS is with the Minimal install and yum groups afterwards .. or a net install.
<snip> Johnny, I'm very much against the minimal, given that it doesn't seem to set up networking... nor does it appear to install perl, based on some recent experience.
Nothing the proper kickstart (or a net install) can't fix. But you are correct. But the Minimal install off the full install iso does the same.
On 3/22/19 6:53 AM, mark wrote:
Johnny, I'm very much against the minimal, given that it doesn't seem to set up networking...
It works as expected if I select the network interface and click the toggle button to turn it on in the installer.
Is that different from the standard install? Does that one activate interfaces regardless?
nor does it appear to install perl, based on some recent experience.
I think you and I probably differ about what a "minimal" system is. I expect a system that has networking and yum, and everything else should be added by the admin's config manager of choice.
On Mar 22, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.messmer@gmail.com wrote:
Is that different from the standard install? Does that one activate interfaces regardless?
I don’t do unmanaged installs that often, but last I tried, if you boot off and install from a CD/DVD it doesn’t bring up the network by default. If you boot off the network (or use the virt-install -l URL method) it brings up a network, since it obviously is installing off the same network.
-- Jonathan Billings billings@negate.org
On 3/23/19 10:06 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
I don’t do unmanaged installs that often, but last I tried, if you boot off and install from a CD/DVD it doesn’t bring up the network by default.
That sounds consistent with what I saw. I don't think there's any reason to call out the Minimal ISO as being deficient or defective in any way (as mark did).
On 3/23/19 2:02 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 3/23/19 10:06 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
I don’t do unmanaged installs that often, but last I tried, if you boot off and install from a CD/DVD it doesn’t bring up the network by default.
That sounds consistent with what I saw. I don't think there's any reason to call out the Minimal ISO as being deficient or defective in any way (as mark did).
BTW .. if it were up to me, the default installs would turn on networking with DHCP by default .. but it's not up to me.
We just use the defaults provided by anaconda to match what happens upstream.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 08:35 Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
On 2/2/19 5:47 PM, Brendan Brewster wrote:
Just curious. In the two most recent releases of CentOS 7 AltArch i386 there has not been made available a DVD iso (or the live ones) alongside NetInstall/Minimal/Everything. Any plans to make available the DVD variation for the current or future releases?
For older 32-bit hardware, it can be nice to be able to burn a single
layer
DVD.
Currently all the Alternative arches get the same ISOs .. which are Everything, Minimal, NetInstall. (except of course for armhfp .. were the install is very different).
It takes a bunch of extra work / testing to develop the DVD install ISO. It requires a unique package list to only include items needed from the installer.
I would say that the best way to install CentOS is with the Minimal install and yum groups afterwards .. or a net install.
I will never say never, but unless we have some community people develop the file lists for point release time, I don't see us doing more ISOs type for several reasons. two of which are:
- It is very chaotic at point release time and people want things
faster than we can release them. Developing the file lists that can make the DVD installer work OK takes time we don't really have.
- Adding 20 or 30 more GB of to our mirrors , when scaled to 600 or so
mirrors worldwide is a lot of extra storage and bandwidth.
If we eliminate the Everything ISO we might do DVD only .. BUT .. i am usually afraid to do that.
Anyway .. x86_64 is the main supported architecture and we don't currently plan to add more isos, certainly not without help maintaining the file lists that a DVD iso would require. More important than the list is the install testing to make sure it all works before release.
Here is the repo where we maintain lists and comps (group) files: https://git.centos.org/summary/sig-core!comps.git
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
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Thank you Johnny, greatly appreciate the reply and insight on the matter.
I'm not sure if I could be of help as I'm not familiar with this but I will plan to take a gander at that repo.
Thanks! -Brendan
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