Hi All,
This is my first post ... I *HAD* been trying to get RHEL AS 4 onto this Dell PE 6400/700, but it just wouldn't go without some weird tweaking.
I am VERY happy to say that CentOS 4.4 installed without a hitch! NICELY done folks!
The only real issue for me is that the machine fails to reboot or shutdown correctly.
It requires physical interaction with the power switch, which certainly limits remote, headless administration!
A reboot (or shutdown -r now) follows through to " ", but the machine never restarts - it appears to freeze (num-lock works, key-caps does not and Ctrl-Alt-Del does nothing) - I have to press and hold the power button to force a restart.
I get similar results with telinit 6 (or init 6).
A shutdown works ever so slightly better, it gets to the " ", and does not power off the machine, a simple press of the power button does power it off.
Does ANYONE have ANY ideas?
OR point me in some direction?
Dell support is useless for an unsupported OS.
Machine info:
Dell PowerEdge 6400 quad Xenon 700Mhz CPUs, a Dell PERC/2 card (w/two RAID 5 containers), an Intel GB net card, and 2GB RAM.
Im sure at least one person on this list will reply with "Omg, i have that same box and have had no problems, you're dumb!!!"
I get it every time I interact with someone from CentOS
-Drew
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From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Joe Kazura Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:09 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] CentOS 4.4 on Dell PE 6400 - not rebooting ...
Hi All,
This is my first post ... I *HAD* been trying to get RHEL AS 4 onto this Dell PE 6400/700, but it just wouldn't go without some weird tweaking.
I am VERY happy to say that CentOS 4.4 installed without a hitch! NICELY done folks!
The only real issue for me is that the machine fails to reboot or shutdown correctly.
It requires physical interaction with the power switch, which certainly limits remote, headless administration!
A reboot (or shutdown -r now) follows through to " ", but the machine never restarts - it appears to freeze (num-lock works, key-caps does not and Ctrl-Alt-Del does nothing) - I have to press and hold the power button to force a restart.
I get similar results with telinit 6 (or init 6).
A shutdown works ever so slightly better, it gets to the " ", and does not power off the machine, a simple press of the power button does power it off.
Does ANYONE have ANY ideas?
OR point me in some direction?
Dell support is useless for an unsupported OS.
Machine info:
Dell PowerEdge 6400 quad Xenon 700Mhz CPUs, a Dell PERC/2 card (w/two RAID 5 containers), an Intel GB net card, and 2GB RAM.
On 21/02/07, Drew Weaver drew.weaver@thenap.com wrote:
Im sure at least one person on this list will reply with "Omg, i have that same box and have had no problems, you're dumb!!!"
I get it every time I interact with someone from CentOS
Then they would appear to be correct in at least some of their assumptions.
Will.
Well, possibly; but there are at least 4 different bugs in the current 4.4 tree that cause numerous issues with the most basic Intel hardware and no matter how much they get reported, they are still constantly ignored, but I guess the same bugs are present with the upstream; so its ok then.
-Drew
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Will McDonald Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:19 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.4 on Dell PE 6400 - not rebooting ...
On 21/02/07, Drew Weaver drew.weaver@thenap.com wrote:
Im sure at least one person on this list will reply with "Omg, i have that same box and have had no problems, you're dumb!!!"
I get it every time I interact with someone from CentOS
Then they would appear to be correct in at least some of their assumptions.
Will. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:24:35AM -0500, Drew Weaver enlightened us:
Well, possibly; but there are at least 4 different bugs in the current 4.4 tree that cause numerous issues with the most basic Intel hardware and no matter how much they get reported, they are still constantly ignored, but I guess the same bugs are present with the upstream; so its ok then.
I'm sure if you wanted to pay the CentOS developers salary, they'd be happy to work on the problems, get them fixed upstream, and therefore fix them in CentOS as well.
Matt
are you 5 years old or what?
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 09:24 -0500, Drew Weaver wrote:
Well, possibly; but there are at least 4 different bugs in the current 4.4 tree that cause numerous issues with the most basic Intel hardware and no matter how much they get reported, they are still constantly ignored, but I guess the same bugs are present with the upstream; so its ok then.
-Drew
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Will McDonald Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:19 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.4 on Dell PE 6400 - not rebooting ...
On 21/02/07, Drew Weaver drew.weaver@thenap.com wrote:
Im sure at least one person on this list will reply with "Omg, i have that same box and have had no problems, you're dumb!!!"
I get it every time I interact with someone from CentOS
Then they would appear to be correct in at least some of their assumptions.
Will. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 10:26 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote:
are you 5 years old or what?
OK ... I should not have sent this e-mail. It was totally immature and I apologize.
I have been doing a lot of work trying to get CentOS 5 usable for FOSDEM and I was in a bad mood. Still does not make it right.
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 09:24 -0500, Drew Weaver wrote:
Well, possibly; but there are at least 4 different bugs in the current 4.4 tree that cause numerous issues with the most basic Intel hardware and no matter how much they get reported, they are still constantly ignored, but I guess the same bugs are present with the upstream; so its ok then.
-Drew
My comments about not forking the code still stand though ... we would introduce other potential problems if we release code that is not upstream ... and centos does not do that unless the package is totally not usable or compilable.
If the bug issues do not exist upstream then we will work to fix them, if they do exist upstream then we can't do anymore than research them and submit a patch to fix, if we can figure it out. More often than not, these issues are carried down from upstream ... but sometimes they are not.
If someone can show that under the exact same conditions (on the same box) a centos kernel exhibits a problem and the exact same version of the upstream kernel does not, then I can promise you I will do my best to fix that issue.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 09:24 -0500, Drew Weaver wrote:
Well, possibly; but there are at least 4 different bugs in the current 4.4 tree that cause numerous issues with the most basic Intel hardware and no matter how much they get reported, they are still constantly ignored, but I guess the same bugs are present with the upstream; so its ok then.
-Drew
You are correct ... if the bug is upstream ... and if we CLONE the upstream package ... so that our distribution ACTS and WORKS exactly LIKE upstream ... WHICH IS OUR _MAIN_GOAL_ ... and the whole purpose of this frickin distribution ... then:
YES
IT IS OK THEN.
Please read this:
http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=5
If you have problems comprehending any of it, please ask for clarification.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Will McDonald Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:19 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.4 on Dell PE 6400 - not rebooting ...
On 21/02/07, Drew Weaver drew.weaver@thenap.com wrote:
Im sure at least one person on this list will reply with "Omg, i have that same box and have had no problems, you're dumb!!!"
I get it every time I interact with someone from CentOS
Then they would appear to be correct in at least some of their assumptions.
Will. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
You are correct ... if the bug is upstream ... and if we CLONE the upstream package ... so that our distribution ACTS and WORKS exactly LIKE upstream ... WHICH IS OUR _MAIN_GOAL_ ... and the whole purpose of this frickin distribution ... then:
Down boy... DOWN!
YES IT IS OK THEN.
HEEL!
Please read this:
http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=5
If you have problems comprehending any of it, please ask for clarification.
SIT, STAY!....
nice doggy........
DO NOT ANGER THE HAPPY FUN JOHNNY!
/I suppose I should hide now after this....
He would have a point if the bugs that I was refering to actually appeared in RHEL 4, which they don't at least not for me.
But that's alright, there are lots of Linux distributions out there :-)
-Drew
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jim Perrin Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:12 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.4 on Dell PE 6400 - not rebooting ...
You are correct ... if the bug is upstream ... and if we CLONE the upstream package ... so that our distribution ACTS and WORKS exactly LIKE upstream ... WHICH IS OUR _MAIN_GOAL_ ... and the whole purpose of this frickin distribution ... then:
Down boy... DOWN!
YES IT IS OK THEN.
HEEL!
Please read this:
http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=5
If you have problems comprehending any of it, please ask for
clarification.
SIT, STAY!....
nice doggy........
DO NOT ANGER THE HAPPY FUN JOHNNY!
/I suppose I should hide now after this....
-- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On 2/23/07, Drew Weaver drew.weaver@thenap.com wrote:
He would have a point if the bugs that I was refering to actually appeared in RHEL 4, which they don't at least not for me.
Okay, trash talking and ego aside.. Centos is built from the sources provided by RHEL. Any bugs on our end should by definition also be upstream. If that is not the case then we need to know about it. If it is the case, then Johnny's point stands.
What bugs are you specifically referring to? What is the ticket number for them at bugs.centos.org
Bitching on the list doesn't really do anything. If it's not in the bugtracker, it doesn't exist.
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 12:22 -0500, Jim Perrin wrote:
On 2/23/07, Drew Weaver drew.weaver@thenap.com wrote:
He would have a point if the bugs that I was refering to actually appeared in RHEL 4, which they don't at least not for me.
Okay, trash talking and ego aside..
---- If I had just one complaint about CentOS developers (and admittedly, I do not dwell on it), it is the nasty tone that leaks out from time to time. This instance, it was Johnny which is somewhat rare for him, occasionally from Jim, and it used to be somewhat frequent from Karanbir but he has taken a lower profile the past few months.
I certainly recognize that when expressed, this attitude indicates the feeling that we the users, are ungrateful or not cognizant of the time and energy demands of maintaining CentOS and thus the verbal missives that accompany the response to less than wholly respectful opinions are justified.
To that end, I would like to say:
- thanks Jim, Johnny, Russ, Karanbir, Lance and the others that I failed to acknowledge. Your efforts are surely appreciated by everyone on this list even if we fail to express it.
- sometimes users vent their frustrations and typically their frustrations stem from the fact that they don't fully understand their problem. This shouldn't represent an opportunity to insult them. Asking them to clarify their problems before blasting them would probably be a better policy. Given that there are a lot of knowledgeable people using CentOS, some amount of knowledge should be assumed.
Craig
On 2/23/07, Craig White craigwhite@azapple.com wrote:
If I had just one complaint about CentOS developers (and admittedly, I do not dwell on it), it is the nasty tone that leaks out from time to time. This instance, it was Johnny which is somewhat rare for him, occasionally from Jim, and it used to be somewhat frequent from Karanbir but he has taken a lower profile the past few months.
I only rate an 'occasionally'? Darn it, I'll have to work on improving that. I could swear I've been more belligerent and anti-social than usual, and I still only rate an occasionally? FEH I say! :-P
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Craig White wrote:
If I had just one complaint about CentOS developers (and admittedly, I do not dwell on it), it is the nasty tone that leaks out from time to time. This instance, it was Johnny which is somewhat rare for him, occasionally from Jim, and it used to be somewhat frequent from Karanbir but he has taken a lower profile the past few months.
People who *care* about what they produce will share the same emotions (sometimes, utter frustration :-) as those who care about the OS providing the IT services on which their jobs depend. :-)
The CentOS developers do such a fine job, and the signal:noise ratio on this list so high, that the occasional outburst is imo nothing more than a random, ignorable spike.
- thanks Jim, Johnny, Russ, Karanbir, Lance and the others that I
failed to acknowledge. Your efforts are surely appreciated by everyone on this list even if we fail to express it.
Hear, hear!
On Feb 24, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Craig White wrote:
If I had just one complaint about CentOS developers (and admittedly, I do not dwell on it), it is the nasty tone that leaks out from time to time. This instance, it was Johnny which is somewhat rare for him, occasionally from Jim, and it used to be somewhat frequent from Karanbir but he has taken a lower profile the past few months.
People who *care* about what they produce will share the same emotions (sometimes, utter frustration :-) as those who care about the OS providing the IT services on which their jobs depend. :-)
The CentOS developers do such a fine job, and the signal:noise ratio on this list so high, that the occasional outburst is imo nothing more than a random, ignorable spike.
- thanks Jim, Johnny, Russ, Karanbir, Lance and the others that I
failed to acknowledge. Your efforts are surely appreciated by everyone on this list even if we fail to express it.
Hear, hear!
I SECOND THAT!
In my previous post RE: RHEL 4 ...
I never get past installation! With CentOS 4.4 I'm able to use the machine just fine - with the reboot exception - which I HAD HOPED was just an oddball setting on this Dell hardware.
Being relatively new to the CentOS world - I'm guessing the developers work long, lonely hours and do it for the love of the code & OS along with the ideas and ideals it represents.
Three Cheers (and some espresso) for ALL of their efforts!
Joe
hey drew:
How about making a bugzilla entry on the centos bugtracker instead of jsut complaining?
Drew Weaver wrote:
He would have a point if the bugs that I was refering to actually appeared in RHEL 4, which they don't at least not for me.
But that's alright, there are lots of Linux distributions out there :-)
-Drew
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jim Perrin Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:12 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.4 on Dell PE 6400 - not rebooting ...
You are correct ... if the bug is upstream ... and if we CLONE the upstream package ... so that our distribution ACTS and WORKS exactly LIKE upstream ... WHICH IS OUR _MAIN_GOAL_ ... and the whole purpose of this frickin distribution ... then:
Down boy... DOWN!
YES IT IS OK THEN.
HEEL!
Please read this:
http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=5
If you have problems comprehending any of it, please ask for
clarification.
SIT, STAY!....
nice doggy........
DO NOT ANGER THE HAPPY FUN JOHNNY!
/I suppose I should hide now after this....
-- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
.
--- Drew Weaver drew.weaver@thenap.com wrote:
He would have a point if the bugs that I was refering to actually appeared in RHEL 4, which they don't at least not for me.
But that's alright, there are lots of Linux distributions out there :-)
-Drew
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jim Perrin Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:12 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.4 on Dell PE 6400 - not rebooting ...
You are correct ... if the bug is upstream ... and
if we CLONE the
upstream package ... so that our distribution ACTS
and WORKS exactly
LIKE upstream ... WHICH IS OUR _MAIN_GOAL_ ... and
the whole purpose
of this frickin distribution ... then:
Down boy... DOWN!
YES IT IS OK THEN.
HEEL!
Please read this:
http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=5
If you have problems comprehending any of it,
please ask for clarification.
SIT, STAY!....
nice doggy........
DO NOT ANGER THE HAPPY FUN JOHNNY!
/I suppose I should hide now after this....
-- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Well my Dad always had a good saying for people who will say remarks like that. He would look at you and say the following remark and go right back at what he was doing.
"Don't Let the door hit you in the @SS on the way out!"
Steven
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows or better'. So I installed Linux."
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 22:50 -0800, Steven Vishoot wrote:
--- Drew Weaver drew.weaver@thenap.com wrote:
He would have a point if the bugs that I was refering to actually appeared in RHEL 4, which they don't at least not for me.
But that's alright, there are lots of Linux distributions out there :-)
-Drew
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jim Perrin Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:12 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.4 on Dell PE 6400 - not rebooting ...
You are correct ... if the bug is upstream ... and
if we CLONE the
upstream package ... so that our distribution ACTS
and WORKS exactly
LIKE upstream ... WHICH IS OUR _MAIN_GOAL_ ... and
the whole purpose
of this frickin distribution ... then:
Down boy... DOWN!
YES IT IS OK THEN.
HEEL!
Please read this:
http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=5
If you have problems comprehending any of it,
please ask for clarification.
SIT, STAY!....
nice doggy........
DO NOT ANGER THE HAPPY FUN JOHNNY!
/I suppose I should hide now after this....
-- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell _______________________________________________
kk it's gettin kinda late here....I'm just dreaming this huh? well I am taking some chems now...maybe that's it!!!
this can't be for real...my goodness all the big bucks he's paid for centos!!! wow! ...kinda scary!!!
John Rose
ROFL ...
BTW - RHEL 4 CD's will boot this 6400 and I can go through all of the installations screens (yes - in gui mode, see note below) and regardless of HOW the disks are partitioned AND with or with out logical volumes. The system CHOKES big time either right after formatting the last of /var or immediately following - any logs that would normally be created are non-existent or useless due to the timing of the CHOKING.
CHOKES, CHOKED, CHOKING: = system completely unresponsive, gui cursor has stopped 'spinning', caps lock non-functional, Ctrl-Alt-Del non-functional. Pressing and holding the POWER BUTTON until a forced re-boot occurs is the ONLY way I've been able to get the system back.
NOTE - GUI: I've tried text install and gui - it matters not, other than I get visual feedback with the gui - the logs being useless.
So does anyone have any ideas for solving my Dell issue?
Thanks - Joe Kazura
On Feb 23, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Drew Weaver wrote:
He would have a point if the bugs that I was refering to actually appeared in RHEL 4, which they don't at least not for me.
But that's alright, there are lots of Linux distributions out there :-)
-Drew
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jim Perrin Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:12 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.4 on Dell PE 6400 - not rebooting ...
You are correct ... if the bug is upstream ... and if we CLONE the upstream package ... so that our distribution ACTS and WORKS exactly LIKE upstream ... WHICH IS OUR _MAIN_GOAL_ ... and the whole purpose of this frickin distribution ... then:
Down boy... DOWN!
YES IT IS OK THEN.
HEEL!
Please read this:
http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=5
If you have problems comprehending any of it, please ask for
clarification.
SIT, STAY!....
nice doggy........
DO NOT ANGER THE HAPPY FUN JOHNNY!
/I suppose I should hide now after this....
-- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On 21/02/07, Joe Kazura joe.kazura@unh.edu wrote:
This is my first post ... I *HAD* been trying to get RHEL AS 4 onto this Dell PE 6400/700, but it just wouldn't go without some weird tweaking.
A reboot (or shutdown -r now) follows through to " ", but the machine never restarts - it appears to freeze (num-lock works, key-caps does not and Ctrl-Alt-Del does nothing) - I have to press and hold the power button to force a restart.
Have you tried booting the box (and then rebooting) with one/some/all of the various APIC/ACPI options? e.g. "noapic noacpi apic=off acpi=off"?
And is your BIOS firmware up to date?
Will.
Sadly - I had not ...
BUT - I just tried "acpi=off" and no difference.
I'll try what ever iterations I can come up with ...
The BIOS of the PE6400 is 'current' as are the other three devices that show at POWER ON.
Joe
On Feb 21, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Will McDonald wrote:
On 21/02/07, Joe Kazura joe.kazura@unh.edu wrote:
This is my first post ... I *HAD* been trying to get RHEL AS 4 onto this Dell PE 6400/700, but it just wouldn't go without some weird tweaking.
A reboot (or shutdown -r now) follows through to " ", but the machine never restarts - it appears to freeze (num-lock works, key-caps does not and Ctrl-Alt-Del does nothing) - I have to press and hold the power button to force a restart.
Have you tried booting the box (and then rebooting) with one/some/all of the various APIC/ACPI options? e.g. "noapic noacpi apic=off acpi=off"?
And is your BIOS firmware up to date?
Will. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On 21/02/07, Joe Kazura joe.kazura@unh.edu wrote:
BUT - I just tried "acpi=off" and no difference.
You need acpi=on for powering itself off, otherwise it will go into halt, not power-off.
I can't comment on the rebooting freeze though. However, if it's a DELL PE server, why not log a call with them?
Joe Kazura wrote:
Sadly - I had not ...
BUT - I just tried "acpi=off" and no difference.
Have you tried booting the box (and then rebooting) with one/some/all of the various APIC/ACPI options? e.g. "noapic noacpi apic=off acpi=off"?
People should use "acpi=off" as their last option, not the first :) ACPI is really useful!
For your reboot problems... try to add "reboot=bios" or "reboot=triple" instead.
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