firstly, get a better email client. Your existing one is broken.
Irrelevant, unhelpful and quite rude. Aside from that, if you tell me what you perceive to be the problem, perhaps stand a chance to fix the issue. If it is genuinely a client issue, then please give me something to send back to Yahoo. Assuming it wasn't just a very cheap and childish shot, of course.
Obviously it wasn't so broken that you weren't able to read or reply my mail. I can't imagine what terrible hardship it has caused you.
On 04/06/2011 12:55 PM, Ian Murray wrote:
Its easy to fixate on the idea of CentOS being the distro and the
distro
alone - however, a very large part of what the users see value in is
the
user base around CentOS - and focused, specialised help with those
areas
would go a long way in 'helping' CentOS.
Would this help get a future release out of the door quicker?
Sure.
Okay, Thanks for clarifying that because it is the releases that appear be the problem at hand and the direct connections don't automatically leap out at me.
On 04/06/2011 03:19 PM, Ian Murray wrote:
firstly, get a better email client. Your existing one is broken.
Irrelevant, unhelpful and quite rude.
mailing lists are setup to retain thread sanity, its expected people use mailclients that can honour that. If yours cant and you prefer not to change it- perhaps consider using the centos.org forums instead ?
- KB
On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:22:33 AM Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 04/06/2011 03:19 PM, Ian Murray wrote:
firstly, get a better email client. Your existing one is broken.
Irrelevant, unhelpful and quite rude.
mailing lists are setup to retain thread sanity, its expected people use mailclients that can honour that. If yours cant and you prefer not to change it- perhaps consider using the centos.org forums instead ?
FWIW, on kmail on Fedora 14, at least, his messages show up properly threaded, even though the In-Reply-To and References headers are missing from his message. Don't know why Thunderbird doesn't show them threaded.
Of course, kmail has its own problems, particularly with putting in to many References headers on occasion, but that's a different issue.....
On 04/06/2011 03:19 PM, Ian Murray wrote:
firstly, get a better email client. Your existing one is broken.
Irrelevant, unhelpful and quite rude.
mailing lists are setup to retain thread sanity, its expected people use mailclients that can honour that. If yours cant and you prefer not to change it- perhaps consider using the centos.org forums instead ?
As previously stated, "in-reply-to" isn't a mandatory field as far as I can tell, so it is a stretch to call it "broken". However, now that someone actually stopped the time-wasting and told me the issue precisely, I was able to rectify it rather than have me second-guess it.
I still stand-by what I said. Given your attitude, I am not surprised at the state of the CentOS project.
On 04/06/2011 09:30 PM, Ian Murray wrote:
As previously stated, "in-reply-to" isn't a mandatory field as far as I can tell, so it is a stretch to call it "broken". However, now that someone actually stopped the time-wasting and told me the issue precisely, I was able to rectify it rather than have me second-guess it.
in-reply-to isn't the only way to retain thread sanity
I still stand-by what I said. Given your attitude, I am not surprised at the state of the CentOS project.
good for you. But you might be in for a surprise, since quite a lot of effort here goes into pointing people in the right directions and expecting them to be able to join dots and actually learn about things rather than spoon feeding every step of the way.
Anyway, you now know a bit about threading and how lists work, so a small win in its own right.
- KB
On 04/06/2011 09:30 PM, Ian Murray wrote:
As previously stated, "in-reply-to" isn't a mandatory field as far as I can tell, so it is a stretch to call it "broken". However, now that someone
actually
stopped the time-wasting and told me the issue precisely, I was able to
rectify
it rather than have me second-guess it.
in-reply-to isn't the only way to retain thread sanity
Do you honestly not have anything better to do? For your info before I posted, Markmail seemed to sort it out okay as did the OP who posted.
I still stand-by what I said. Given your attitude, I am not surprised at
the
state of the CentOS project.
good for you. But you might be in for a surprise, since quite a lot of effort here goes into pointing people in the right directions and expecting them to be able to join dots and actually learn about things rather than spoon feeding every step of the way.
If you think "Mail client is broken" is anything like a reasonable description of an issue you are quite mistaken... it is one up from "saying computer says no".
I'll help you out (and bring it back on topic), likewise: your Linux distribution rebuild project is broken. Was that any help to you? Am I pointing you in the right way? Please join the dots to figure where it is going wrong...? Oh, you don't even see the problem, do you? Just ignore it in that case. Perhaps it will go away by itself. Well, it doesn't exist, so it can't go away because it was never here.... etc.....
Anyway, you now know a bit about threading and how lists work, so a small win in its own right.
And you know what is wrong with your project. So we are all winners tonight, aren't we?
Truth be told, I doubt you learned a thing tonight. The CentOS build process is not the only thing that is "closed" around here.
p.s. When you take your car to the garage do you just tell them that it is "broken" and they can figure it from there. You'd be doing them a favour... maybe they might learn something. Personally, I just tell them as much as I can because I am keen to get it sorted and move on.
Just my opinion, ofcourse.
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011, Ian Murray wrote:
On 04/06/2011 09:30 PM, Ian Murray wrote:
As previously stated, "in-reply-to" isn't a mandatory field as far as I can tell, so it is a stretch to call it "broken". However, now that someone actually stopped the time-wasting and told me the issue precisely, I was able to rectify it rather than have me second-guess it.
Superiority is about keeping people ignorant and point out the ignorance (preferably in public).
in-reply-to isn't the only way to retain thread sanity
Do you honestly not have anything better to do? For your info before I posted, Markmail seemed to sort it out okay as did the OP who posted.
We are all waiting for the first sucker to tell you to stop this thread because if you keep Karanbir busy it will make the CentOS 6.0 release late !
Ian Murray wrote:
I'll help you out (and bring it back on topic), likewise: your Linux distribution rebuild project is broken. Was that any help to you? Am I pointing you in the right way? Please join the dots to figure where it is going wrong...? Oh, you don't even see the problem, do you? Just ignore it in that case. Perhaps it will go away by itself. Well, it doesn't exist, so it can't go away because it was never here.... etc.....
If these remarks were directed at Karanbir Singh, I'm sure the vast majority of CentOS users will dissociate themselves completely from them, as I do. I'm sure KS has much better things to do at the moment than configure your mail reader.
Personally, I'm very grateful to the CentOS team for all their work.
I'm perhaps in a minority in not caring when CentOS-6 (or 5.6) come out, as CentOS-5.5 works perfectly for me and I don't actually see anything in CentOS-6 which would be very useful to me. The only thing I would say is that I hope KS and team are not pressured into bringing out CentOS-6 before it is absolutely ready; in this context it is much better to be good than to be early.
Your mail is broken because it doesn't contain correct threading headers (In-Reply-To). Because of that it just threads "everywhere" in this thread. For instance, for me, your message was threaded to Russell Jones' because it came in after his mail. Use a decent email program and the problem is gone.
Kai
----- Original Message ----
From: Kai Schaetzl maillists@conactive.com To: centos@centos.org Sent: Wed, 6 April, 2011 17:15:27 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?
Your mail is broken because it doesn't contain correct threading headers (In-Reply-To). Because of that it just threads "everywhere" in this thread. For instance, for me, your message was threaded to Russell Jones' because it came in after his mail. Use a decent email program and the problem is gone.
Kai
Thanks. Appears to be a problem with the new Yahoo webmail beta. Reverting it back to the previous version *appears* to solve the problem. At least it did in test (and hopefully it will now).
Having looked at the RFC's, "in-reply-to" doesn't appear to be mandatory... strictly speaking... although it is described as "SHOULD" be used.
Anyway, thanks again. I will feed it back to Yahoo.
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