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I have a 32 GB, dual quad-core desktop machine and was considering 32-bit Windows XP w/SP2, but discovered it only supports up to 4 GB RAM, so that idea is shot.
Next in line is 64-bit CentOS 5. The major need for Windows would be very active use of Adobe Acrobat 8, Photoshop CS3, and Illustrator CS3.
There may also be the need to copy/transfer information among Matlab, Mathematica, and Microsoft-based applications, from Office 2003 to the above-mentioned ones.
Do you support these, and how complete is your product line for 64-bit CentOS 5?
Based on your answer, I'll know whether to go with a virtual machine-based solution, which means a Windows VM, or can remain Linux-only, with your solution.
Thank you very much.
Scott
Scott Ehrlich wrote:
Also sent to Codeweavers - [what is this list's insights?]
I have a 32 GB, dual quad-core desktop machine and was considering 32-bit Windows XP w/SP2, but discovered it only supports up to 4 GB RAM, so that idea is shot.
Next in line is 64-bit CentOS 5. The major need for Windows would be very active use of Adobe Acrobat 8, Photoshop CS3, and Illustrator CS3.
There may also be the need to copy/transfer information among Matlab, Mathematica, and Microsoft-based applications, from Office 2003 to the above-mentioned ones.
Do you support these, and how complete is your product line for 64-bit CentOS 5?
Based on your answer, I'll know whether to go with a virtual machine-based solution, which means a Windows VM, or can remain Linux-only, with your solution.
Thank you very much.
Scott
I think you should go for windows XP, as support for these apps is much better than in centos IMO and 4 gigs should be fine for a desktop
on 11/23/2007 3:00 PM Nicolas Thierry-Mieg spake the following:
Scott Ehrlich wrote:
Also sent to Codeweavers - [what is this list's insights?]
I have a 32 GB, dual quad-core desktop machine and was considering 32-bit Windows XP w/SP2, but discovered it only supports up to 4 GB RAM, so that idea is shot.
Next in line is 64-bit CentOS 5. The major need for Windows would be very active use of Adobe Acrobat 8, Photoshop CS3, and Illustrator CS3.
There may also be the need to copy/transfer information among Matlab, Mathematica, and Microsoft-based applications, from Office 2003 to the above-mentioned ones.
Do you support these, and how complete is your product line for 64-bit CentOS 5?
Based on your answer, I'll know whether to go with a virtual machine-based solution, which means a Windows VM, or can remain Linux-only, with your solution.
Thank you very much.
Scott
I think you should go for windows XP, as support for these apps is much better than in centos IMO and 4 gigs should be fine for a desktop
I'm not sure if Windows XP will do 8 cpu's.
Scott Silva wrote:
I think you should go for windows XP, as support for these apps is much better than in centos IMO and 4 gigs should be fine for a desktop
I'm not sure if Windows XP will do 8 cpu's.
I don't think it will. I was under the impression that the non-server incarnations were limited to two physical cpus. (Which could theoretically get you to 8 cores with quad-core processors).
Best,
On Monday 26 November 2007 03:18:23 Chris Mauritz wrote:
Scott Silva wrote:
I think you should go for windows XP, as support for these apps is much better than in centos IMO and 4 gigs should be fine for a desktop
I'm not sure if Windows XP will do 8 cpu's.
I don't think it will. I was under the impression that the non-server incarnations were limited to two physical cpus. (Which could theoretically get you to 8 cores with quad-core processors).
Best,
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I think it sees each core as a cpu. so it will not use quad core or two dual cores on one board efficiently.
John Bowden wrote:
On Monday 26 November 2007 03:18:23 Chris Mauritz wrote:
Scott Silva wrote:
I'm not sure if Windows XP will do 8 cpu's.
I don't think it will. I was under the impression that the non-server incarnations were limited to two physical cpus. (Which could theoretically get you to 8 cores with quad-core processors).
I think it sees each core as a cpu. so it will not use quad core or two dual cores on one board efficiently.
Windows considers cpu sockets for licensing purposes only. XP Pro is enabled for two sockets, while Windows Server is enabled for more. the NT kernel that its based on can run on up to 16 or more cpu cores, however it has many of the same issues with kernel resource blocking and such as linux, such that its a rare desktop workload which will actually keep 8 cores busy.
Looking at the applications the original poster gave, they are mostly highly interactive programs (adobe graphic software, mathematica, etc), I'm not sure what benefit more than 2 or maybe 4 cores would have with that workload. Sure, a few filters in photoshop can take several seconds to run on large prepress jobs, and if you're a really advanced PS user, you might actually build a complex macro stack and run it on a big batch of pictures in the background, that might tie up a couple CPUs for the several minutes it takes to run... Yes, I know large complex tasks in mathematica can run for seconds or even minutes, but most of the time most of that software is sitting waiting for user input.
It's always worth seeing what wine under CentOS can do, but I wouldn't get my hopes up that it will fill the shoes of windows because of lots of compatibility problems. Still, it's worth a shot.
Geoff
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:59:22 To:centos@centos.org Subject: [CentOS] Re: Adobe products under Linux?
on 11/23/2007 3:00 PM Nicolas Thierry-Mieg spake the following:
Scott Ehrlich wrote:
Also sent to Codeweavers - [what is this list's insights?]
I have a 32 GB, dual quad-core desktop machine and was considering 32-bit Windows XP w/SP2, but discovered it only supports up to 4 GB RAM, so that idea is shot.
Next in line is 64-bit CentOS 5. The major need for Windows would be very active use of Adobe Acrobat 8, Photoshop CS3, and Illustrator CS3.
There may also be the need to copy/transfer information among Matlab, Mathematica, and Microsoft-based applications, from Office 2003 to the above-mentioned ones.
Do you support these, and how complete is your product line for 64-bit CentOS 5?
Based on your answer, I'll know whether to go with a virtual machine-based solution, which means a Windows VM, or can remain Linux-only, with your solution.
Thank you very much.
Scott
I think you should go for windows XP, as support for these apps is much better than in centos IMO and 4 gigs should be fine for a desktop
I'm not sure if Windows XP will do 8 cpu's.
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gjgowey@tmo.blackberry.net wrote:
It's always worth seeing what wine under CentOS can do, but I wouldn't get my hopes up that it will fill the shoes of windows because of lots of compatibility problems. Still, it's worth a shot.
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Scott Ehrlich wrote:
Next in line is 64-bit CentOS 5. The major need for Windows would be very active use of Adobe Acrobat 8, Photoshop CS3, and Illustrator CS3.
There may also be the need to copy/transfer information among Matlab, Mathematica, and Microsoft-based applications, from Office 2003 to the above-mentioned ones.
What does Adobe have to say about running these apps on CentOS-5/x86_64 ? heck, do these things even run on Linux at all ? I suppose you can locate alternatives....
OR, do you really intend to even run these apps on that box of yours ? or are you only looking for virt abstract layer ?
Do you support these, and how complete is your product line for 64-bit CentOS 5?
pretty complete I would say....
Scott Ehrlich wrote:
Also sent to Codeweavers - [what is this list's insights?]
I have a 32 GB, dual quad-core desktop machine and was considering 32-bit Windows XP w/SP2, but discovered it only supports up to 4 GB RAM, so that idea is shot.
Next in line is 64-bit CentOS 5. The major need for Windows would be very active use of Adobe Acrobat 8, Photoshop CS3, and Illustrator CS3.
There may also be the need to copy/transfer information among Matlab, Mathematica, and Microsoft-based applications, from Office 2003 to the above-mentioned ones.
Do you support these, and how complete is your product line for 64-bit CentOS 5?
Based on your answer, I'll know whether to go with a virtual machine-based solution, which means a Windows VM, or can remain Linux-only, with your solution.
AFAIK, no Adobe applications run under any form of Linux, except via VM emulation. If you're running Adobe apps on Windows in a VM under Linux, and matlab/mathematica on Linux natively, copying data between these will be awkward at best.
On Nov 23, 2007 4:28 PM, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
AFAIK, no Adobe applications run under any form of Linux, except via VM emulation. If you're running Adobe apps on Windows in a VM under Linux, and matlab/mathematica on Linux natively, copying data between these will be awkward at best.
I run Windows as a vmware guest under a Linux host. I have an ext3 partition that holds all data which Windows accesses through host's samba and Linux accesses natively. I've had this setup for quite a number of years without any problem. This also makes backup of Windows data files very easy.
Akemi
Akemi Yagi wrote:
On Nov 23, 2007 4:28 PM, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
AFAIK, no Adobe applications run under any form of Linux, except via VM emulation. If you're running Adobe apps on Windows in a VM under Linux, and matlab/mathematica on Linux natively, copying data between these will be awkward at best.
I run Windows as a vmware guest under a Linux host. I have an ext3 partition that holds all data which Windows accesses through host's samba and Linux accesses natively. I've had this setup for quite a number of years without any problem. This also makes backup of Windows data files very easy.
not easy like copy/pasting objects between apps on a single environment, however.
On Nov 23, 2007 5:24 PM, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
Akemi Yagi wrote:
On Nov 23, 2007 4:28 PM, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
I run Windows as a vmware guest under a Linux host. I have an ext3 partition that holds all data which Windows accesses through host's samba and Linux accesses natively. I've had this setup for quite a number of years without any problem. This also makes backup of Windows data files very easy.
not easy like copy/pasting objects between apps on a single environment, however.
I run Photoshop Elements on my VM Windows guest and have no trouble with copying, pasting, etc., except for the time delay - it takes a little longer to access the host files through samba than directly under CentOS.
I will freely admit, though, that I don't do a lot of graphics manipulations in APSE - the main uses I have for it are printing (sometimes - my GIMP just won't print images at all, and sometimes the image viewer won't, either) and saving files in formats that GIMP doesn't support. Occasionally I'll also use APSE for "quickie" tweaks because it has different features from GIMP.
The biggest advantages to running Windows as a VM under CentOS are, of course, stability, reliability, and if your Windows guest crashes, you can just reboot it. If it crashes hard, and you take good care of backing up your VM disk, you can restore it fairly quickly from your last good backup.
But, you knew that, right?
:-)
mhr
On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 16:28 -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
Scott Ehrlich wrote:
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AFAIK, no Adobe applications run under any form of Linux, except via VM emulation. If you're running Adobe apps on Windows in a VM under Linux, and matlab/mathematica on Linux natively, copying data between these will be awkward at best.
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$ lsb_release -a LSB Version: :core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:graphics-3.0- ia32:graphics-3.0-noarch Distributor ID: CentOS Description: CentOS release 4.5 (Final) Release: 4.5 Codename: Final
$ rpm -q AdobeReader_enu AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1.i386
I don't know about others, but this one works fine for me.
-- Bill
On Nov 27, 2007 3:26 PM, William L. Maltby CentOS4Bill@triad.rr.com wrote:
$ rpm -q AdobeReader_enu AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1.i386
I don't know about others, but this one works fine for me.
I don't call this a real application as they don't support anything you don't pay for.
E.g., AR 8.0 (?) is available for Windows and has been for months, now, but not for Linux.
The Adobe Flash Player for (32-bit) browsers on Linux also works, most of the time, but it, too, is a "free" application, which means Adobe doesn't provide support for it, either.
mhr
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:29:50 -0800 Mark Hull-Richter mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
E.g., AR 8.0 (?) is available for Windows and has been for months, now, but not for Linux.
AdobeReader_enu-8.1.1-1.i486.rpm
On Nov 28, 2007 3:29 AM, Mark Hull-Richter mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007 3:26 PM, William L. Maltby CentOS4Bill@triad.rr.com wrote:
$ rpm -q AdobeReader_enu AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1.i386
I don't know about others, but this one works fine for me.
I don't call this a real application as they don't support anything you don't pay for.
E.g., AR 8.0 (?) is available for Windows and has been for months, now, but not for Linux.
The Adobe Flash Player for (32-bit) browsers on Linux also works, most of the time, but it, too, is a "free" application, which means Adobe doesn't provide support for it, either.
mhr
Just because there is no commercial support does not mean it isn't a real application. By your same reasoning Gimp or Linux or any of the other open source applications are not "real".
Besides, you won't get support for Adobe Reader or Flash Player on Windows or Mac.
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 00:29 -0800, Mark Hull-Richter wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007 3:26 PM, William L. Maltby CentOS4Bill@triad.rr.com wrote:
$ rpm -q AdobeReader_enu AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1.i386
I don't know about others, but this one works fine for me.
I don't call this a real application as they don't support anything you don't pay for.
E.g., AR 8.0 (?) is available for Windows and has been for months, now, but not for Linux.
The Adobe Flash Player for (32-bit) browsers on Linux also works, most of the time, but it, too, is a "free" application, which means Adobe doesn't provide support for it, either.
Looks like other folks have given responses I might have used. I will only add that a piece of software that does what I want in a certain context and has appropriate scope for my needs would qualify as an application regardless of other considerations. It may not be the best or meet everyones needs, but ...
mhr
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-- Bill
on 11/28/2007 1:28 PM William L. Maltby spake the following:
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 00:29 -0800, Mark Hull-Richter wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007 3:26 PM, William L. Maltby CentOS4Bill@triad.rr.com wrote:
$ rpm -q AdobeReader_enu AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1.i386
I don't know about others, but this one works fine for me.
I don't call this a real application as they don't support anything you don't pay for.
E.g., AR 8.0 (?) is available for Windows and has been for months, now, but not for Linux.
The Adobe Flash Player for (32-bit) browsers on Linux also works, most of the time, but it, too, is a "free" application, which means Adobe doesn't provide support for it, either.
Looks like other folks have given responses I might have used. I will only add that a piece of software that does what I want in a certain context and has appropriate scope for my needs would qualify as an application regardless of other considerations. It may not be the best or meet everyones needs, but ...
I always thought that the OS was the base system to provide a place to do some work, and applications are the tools that actually are used in doing such work. Like a woodworkers shop and the saws and other tools inside said shop.
Scott Ehrlich wrote:
Also sent to Codeweavers - [what is this list's insights?]
I have a 32 GB, dual quad-core desktop machine and was considering 32-bit Windows XP w/SP2, but discovered it only supports up to 4 GB RAM, so that idea is shot.
Next in line is 64-bit CentOS 5. The major need for Windows would be very active use of Adobe Acrobat 8, Photoshop CS3, and Illustrator CS3.
There may also be the need to copy/transfer information among Matlab, Mathematica, and Microsoft-based applications, from Office 2003 to the above-mentioned ones.
Do you support these, and how complete is your product line for 64-bit CentOS 5?
Based on your answer, I'll know whether to go with a virtual machine-based solution, which means a Windows VM, or can remain Linux-only, with your solution.
You will need a VM based solution. I don't know how good Xen will be in 5.1, but it's an option.
I myself have been toying with the idea of a minimal CentOS 5.1 Xen install, no GUI just a small Dom0, and then running an Ubuntu DomU with GUI on 1 virtual console and Windows XP on another, possible a Fedora on a 3rd and keeping the VM images in raw LVM LVs that are allocated and managed from the Dom0.
This may be the ideal way to go with such beefy hardware to make sure you use up all those nice resources effectively.
-Ross
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