I have installed the kate editor on Centos 6.7 but it seems to be a very old version, 3.3.4, installed as part of kdesdk. On Centos 7 I can simply run 'yum install kate' but, alas, not on Centos 6.
What is the recommended way of updating kate on Centos 6?
Thank you.
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:22, H <agents@...> wrote:
I have installed the kate editor on Centos 6.7 but it seems to be a very old version, 3.3.4, installed as part of kdesdk. On Centos 7 I can simply run 'yum install kate' but, alas, not on Centos 6.
What is the recommended way of updating kate on Centos 6?
Thank you.
First you find out from wich package (rpm) your kate is.
either you try to as yum: "yum search kate",
or you do the full monty: locate the binary "type kate", usually /usr/bin/kate, then you ask rpm from which package this file comes: "rpm -qf /usr/bin/kate" take the main package name (the part before the version numbers) and feed it to yum:
yum update [kate-package-name]
YMMV, depening on what repos you have enabled or not.
You can search most of what is available via pkgs.org, for kate, for example
then select "Centos 6" (maybe you have to scroll down for that)
The EPEL repo seems to have version 0.3.8 of libkate at least.
Have a nice week. - Yamaban
On 02/01/16 14:20, Yamaban wrote:
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:22, H <agents@...> wrote:
I have installed the kate editor on Centos 6.7 but it seems to be a very old version, 3.3.4, installed as part of kdesdk. On Centos 7 I can simply run 'yum install kate' but, alas, not on Centos 6.
What is the recommended way of updating kate on Centos 6?
Thank you.
First you find out from wich package (rpm) your kate is.
either you try to as yum: "yum search kate",
or you do the full monty: locate the binary "type kate", usually /usr/bin/kate, then you ask rpm from which package this file comes: "rpm -qf /usr/bin/kate" take the main package name (the part before the version numbers) and feed it to yum:
yum update [kate-package-name]
YMMV, depening on what repos you have enabled or not.
You can search most of what is available via pkgs.org, for kate, for example
then select "Centos 6" (maybe you have to scroll down for that)
The EPEL repo seems to have version 0.3.8 of libkate at least.
Have a nice week.
- Yamaban
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
yum install kdesdk-4.3.4-9.el6.x86_64
On 02/02/2016 12:56 AM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
On 02/01/16 14:20, Yamaban wrote:
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:22, H <agents@...> wrote:
I have installed the kate editor on Centos 6.7 but it seems to be a very old version, 3.3.4, installed as part of kdesdk. On Centos 7 I can simply run 'yum install kate' but, alas, not on Centos 6.
What is the recommended way of updating kate on Centos 6?
Thank you.
First you find out from wich package (rpm) your kate is.
either you try to as yum: "yum search kate",
or you do the full monty: locate the binary "type kate", usually /usr/bin/kate, then you ask rpm from which package this file comes: "rpm -qf /usr/bin/kate" take the main package name (the part before the version numbers) and feed it to yum:
yum update [kate-package-name]
YMMV, depening on what repos you have enabled or not.
You can search most of what is available via pkgs.org, for kate, for example
then select "Centos 6" (maybe you have to scroll down for that)
The EPEL repo seems to have version 0.3.8 of libkate at least.
Have a nice week.
- Yamaban
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
yum install kdesdk-4.3.4-9.el6.x86_64
That is the version I installed previously and which contains a very old version of kate.
On 02/01/2016 08:20 PM, Yamaban wrote:
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:22, H <agents@...> wrote:
I have installed the kate editor on Centos 6.7 but it seems to be a very old version, 3.3.4, installed as part of kdesdk. On Centos 7 I can simply run 'yum install kate' but, alas, not on Centos 6.
What is the recommended way of updating kate on Centos 6?
Thank you.
First you find out from wich package (rpm) your kate is.
either you try to as yum: "yum search kate",
or you do the full monty: locate the binary "type kate", usually /usr/bin/kate, then you ask rpm from which package this file comes: "rpm -qf /usr/bin/kate" take the main package name (the part before the version numbers) and feed it to yum:
yum update [kate-package-name]
YMMV, depening on what repos you have enabled or not.
You can search most of what is available via pkgs.org, for kate, for example
then select "Centos 6" (maybe you have to scroll down for that)
The EPEL repo seems to have version 0.3.8 of libkate at least.
Have a nice week.
- Yamaban
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I do have an old version installed and only very old versions seem to be available for CentOS, the current version of kate seems to be 15.12.1.
On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 01:22:44PM -0500, H wrote:
I have installed the kate editor on Centos 6.7 but it seems to be a very old version, 3.3.4, installed as part of kdesdk. On Centos 7 I can simply run 'yum install kate' but, alas, not on Centos 6.
What is the recommended way of updating kate on Centos 6?
If you're fully up to date with 'yum', then that's the most recent version of 'kate' you are going to get from CentOS.
CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want that, try another distribution like Fedora.
The version of KDE in CentOS6 (which kate appears to be a part of) is unlikely to get upgraded to the version in CentOS7.
There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php
(I found this on the list of 3rd party repos here: https://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories
On 02/02/2016 09:28 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want that, try another distribution like Fedora.
<rant> GNOME can get a rebase to a newer version, but KDE can't..... this from a former KDE user who would love to go back to KDE but refuses to deal with the issues older versions have.
This is, of course, an upstream issue and not a CentOS one, and I know that.... so I now use GNOME, even though it would be nice to see parity in the allowing of a rebase of KDE like the one for GNOME. </rant>
There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php
Trinity Desktop (TDE), is a fork of KDE 3.x, and not updated from that. So in ways it is older, yet newer.
On 02/02/2016 03:50 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 02/02/2016 09:28 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want that, try another distribution like Fedora.
<rant> GNOME can get a rebase to a newer version, but KDE can't..... this from a former KDE user who would love to go back to KDE but refuses to deal with the issues older versions have.
This is, of course, an upstream issue and not a CentOS one, and I know that.... so I now use GNOME, even though it would be nice to see parity in the allowing of a rebase of KDE like the one for GNOME.
</rant>
There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php
Trinity Desktop (TDE), is a fork of KDE 3.x, and not updated from that. So in ways it is older, yet newer.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have recently discovered...
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02:40 +0100 H wrote:
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6?
I personally use Geany and/or vim, depending on what I'm doing and how I'm doing it.
You can find pre-compiled rpms for the latest version of geany for Centos 6 and 7 on my website if you want them. (The Centos 6 i386 rpm is two versions behind but the x86_64 version is up to date. I don't have easy access to an i386 Centos 6 machine any more to build an i386 rpm, but you can easily do it yourself by compiling the src rpm that's there if you need it.)
On 02/02/2016 06:29 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02:40 +0100 H wrote:
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6?
I personally use Geany and/or vim, depending on what I'm doing and how I'm doing it.
You can find pre-compiled rpms for the latest version of geany for Centos 6 and 7 on my website if you want them. (The Centos 6 i386 rpm is two versions behind but the x86_64 version is up to date. I don't have easy access to an i386 Centos 6 machine any more to build an i386 rpm, but you can easily do it yourself by compiling the src rpm that's there if you need it.)
Thank you, I will look at geany. I did download the markdown plugin for gedit and used that editor for now.
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 21:43:50 +0100 H wrote:
You can find pre-compiled rpms for the latest version of geany for Centos 6 and 7 on my website if you want them. (The Centos 6 i386 rpm is two versions behind but the x86_64 version is up to date. I don't have easy access to an i386 Centos 6 machine any more to build an i386 rpm, but you can easily do it yourself by compiling the src rpm that's there if you need it.)
Thank you, I will look at geany. I did download the markdown plugin for gedit and used that editor for now.
I have now updated the Centos 6 i686 geany rpm on my website to the latest version.
On 02/09/2016 09:50 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 21:43:50 +0100 H wrote:
You can find pre-compiled rpms for the latest version of geany for Centos 6 and 7 on my website if you want them. (The Centos 6 i386 rpm is two versions behind but the x86_64 version is up to date. I don't have easy access to an i386 Centos 6 machine any more to build an i386 rpm, but you can easily do it yourself by compiling the src rpm that's there if you need it.)
Thank you, I will look at geany. I did download the markdown plugin for gedit and used that editor for now.
I have now updated the Centos 6 i686 geany rpm on my website to the latest version.
Thank you, I will download it. EPEL has version 1.24 of geany while the latest version is 1.26.
By the way, does geany allow you to edit files over an ssh connection (fish protocol I believe)? Or would I need to first mount the remote server using sshfs?
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:27:36 +0100 H wrote:
By the way, does geany allow you to edit files over an ssh connection (fish protocol I believe)? Or would I need to first mount the remote server using sshfs?
http://www.geany.org/Documentation/FAQ#QQuestions10
On 02/10/2016 08:49 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:27:36 +0100 H wrote:
By the way, does geany allow you to edit files over an ssh connection (fish protocol I believe)? Or would I need to first mount the remote server using sshfs?
Thank you.
On February 9, 2016 3:50:48 PM EST, Frank Cox theatre@melvilletheatre.com wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 21:43:50 +0100 H wrote:
You can find pre-compiled rpms for the latest version of geany for
Centos 6
and 7 on my website if you want them. (The Centos 6 i386 rpm is
two
versions behind but the x86_64 version is up to date. I don't have
easy
access to an i386 Centos 6 machine any more to build an i386 rpm,
but you
can easily do it yourself by compiling the src rpm that's there if
you need
it.)
Thank you, I will look at geany. I did download the markdown plugin
for
gedit and used that editor for now.
I have now updated the Centos 6 i686 geany rpm on my website to the latest version.
-- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Is it possible to get geany on EPEL updated as new versions are released? The next version is supposed to be released on March 12.
On 02/02/2016 06:29 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02:40 +0100 H wrote:
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6?
I personally use Geany and/or vim, depending on what I'm doing and how I'm doing it.
You can find pre-compiled rpms for the latest version of geany for Centos 6 and 7 on my website if you want them. (The Centos 6 i386 rpm is two versions behind but the x86_64 version is up to date. I don't have easy access to an i386 Centos 6 machine any more to build an i386 rpm, but you can easily do it yourself by compiling the src rpm that's there if you need it.)
I initially downloaded geany 1.24 from the EPEL repository but now wanted to install the plugin package which is not in EPEL. I visited your webpage , downloaded the Centos 6 x86_64 version of both geany 1.26 and the and lib-geany, which I assume is the plugin-package, but neither could be installed. The first fails with:
geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires libgeany.so.0()(64bit) geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany-libgeany = 1.26-1.el6
and the second with:
geany-libgeany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany = 1.26-1.el6
which seems catch-22. Would you happen to have both of them installable?
As an aside, it would be great if both of these packages were in EPEL so a simple yum update could work.
Thank you.
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:30:44 +0100 H wrote:
I initially downloaded geany 1.24 from the EPEL repository but now wanted to install the plugin package which is not in EPEL. I visited your webpage , downloaded the Centos 6 x86_64 version of both geany 1.26 and the and lib-geany, which I assume is the plugin-package, but neither could be installed.
You assume incorrectly. The description field of geany-libgeany rpm states:
QUOTE: This package contains the core functions of Geany which will be used by Geany plugins. END OF QUOTE
I have never bothered to compile the actual geany plugins for Centos 6 due to a lack of demand and interest. I did compile and make the geany plugins for Centos 7 available on my webpage a little while back, but that's apparently not what you're looking for.
The first fails with:
geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires libgeany.so.0()(64bit) geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany-libgeany = 1.26-1.el6
and the second with:
geany-libgeany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany = 1.26-1.el6
which seems catch-22. Would you happen to have both of them installable?
Install both geany and geany-libgeany at the same time and it will work.
As an aside, it would be great if both of these packages were in EPEL so a simple yum update could work.
That I have no control over. If they made it available then I probably wouldn't bother duplicating the effort. As stated at the top of my webpage, it is just stuff that I use that can't (easily) be found elsewhere.
On 02/28/2016 06:53 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:30:44 +0100 H wrote:
I initially downloaded geany 1.24 from the EPEL repository but now wanted to install the plugin package which is not in EPEL. I visited your webpage , downloaded the Centos 6 x86_64 version of both geany 1.26 and the and lib-geany, which I assume is the plugin-package, but neither could be installed.
You assume incorrectly. The description field of geany-libgeany rpm states:
QUOTE: This package contains the core functions of Geany which will be used by Geany plugins. END OF QUOTE
I have never bothered to compile the actual geany plugins for Centos 6 due to a lack of demand and interest. I did compile and make the geany plugins for Centos 7 available on my webpage a little while back, but that's apparently not what you're looking for.
The first fails with:
geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires libgeany.so.0()(64bit) geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany-libgeany = 1.26-1.el6
and the second with:
geany-libgeany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany = 1.26-1.el6
which seems catch-22. Would you happen to have both of them installable?
Install both geany and geany-libgeany at the same time and it will work.
As an aside, it would be great if both of these packages were in EPEL so a simple yum update could work.
That I have no control over. If they made it available then I probably wouldn't bother duplicating the effort. As stated at the top of my webpage, it is just stuff that I use that can't (easily) be found elsewhere.
Thank you, installed both at the same time. Now, next question is: how do I get the webkit preview to use for markdown files? There is no mention of it in the plugin manager, nor could I find it in any configuration menu.
Would I now need to download the geany-plugin package from that site and compile the plugins from scratch?
Thank you.
On February 28, 2016 1:26:39 PM EST, H agents@meddatainc.com wrote:
On 02/28/2016 06:53 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:30:44 +0100 H wrote:
I initially downloaded geany 1.24 from the EPEL repository but now wanted to install the plugin package which is not in EPEL. I visited your webpage , downloaded the Centos 6 x86_64 version of both geany
1.26
and the and lib-geany, which I assume is the plugin-package, but
neither
could be installed.
You assume incorrectly. The description field of geany-libgeany rpm
states:
QUOTE: This package contains the core functions of Geany which will be used
by Geany plugins.
END OF QUOTE
I have never bothered to compile the actual geany plugins for Centos
6 due to a lack of demand and interest. I did compile and make the geany plugins for Centos 7 available on my webpage a little while back, but that's apparently not what you're looking for.
The first fails with:
geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires libgeany.so.0()(64bit) geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany-libgeany = 1.26-1.el6
and the second with:
geany-libgeany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany = 1.26-1.el6
which seems catch-22. Would you happen to have both of them
installable?
Install both geany and geany-libgeany at the same time and it will
work.
As an aside, it would be great if both of these packages were in
EPEL so
a simple yum update could work.
That I have no control over. If they made it available then I
probably wouldn't bother duplicating the effort. As stated at the top of my webpage, it is just stuff that I use that can't (easily) be found elsewhere.
Thank you, installed both at the same time. Now, next question is: how do I get the webkit preview to use for markdown files? There is no mention of it in the plugin manager, nor could I find it in any configuration menu.
Would I now need to download the geany-plugin package from that site and compile the plugins from scratch?
Thank you.
I will download the plugin source code and compile from scratch.
On 02/28/2016 06:53 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:30:44 +0100 H wrote:
I initially downloaded geany 1.24 from the EPEL repository but now wanted to install the plugin package which is not in EPEL. I visited your webpage , downloaded the Centos 6 x86_64 version of both geany 1.26 and the and lib-geany, which I assume is the plugin-package, but neither could be installed.
You assume incorrectly. The description field of geany-libgeany rpm states:
QUOTE: This package contains the core functions of Geany which will be used by Geany plugins. END OF QUOTE
I have never bothered to compile the actual geany plugins for Centos 6 due to a lack of demand and interest. I did compile and make the geany plugins for Centos 7 available on my webpage a little while back, but that's apparently not what you're looking for.
The first fails with:
geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires libgeany.so.0()(64bit) geany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany-libgeany = 1.26-1.el6
and the second with:
geany-libgeany-1.26-1.el6.x86_64 requires geany = 1.26-1.el6
which seems catch-22. Would you happen to have both of them installable?
Install both geany and geany-libgeany at the same time and it will work.
As an aside, it would be great if both of these packages were in EPEL so a simple yum update could work.
That I have no control over. If they made it available then I probably wouldn't bother duplicating the effort. As stated at the top of my webpage, it is just stuff that I use that can't (easily) be found elsewhere.
Frank, I am working on trying to get the geany plugin library to work but have run into a problem because the file geany.pc is not found. My understanding from the geany list is that it should have been installed.
It does not seem to have been installed by your two packages - do you know where it can be found?
Thank you.
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 21:14:01 +0100 H wrote:
Frank, I am working on trying to get the geany plugin library to work but have run into a problem because the file geany.pc is not found. My understanding from the geany list is that it should have been installed.
It does not seem to have been installed by your two packages - do you know where it can be found?
It is part of geany-devel, which I apparently didn't bother saving and posting on my webpage for el6, since I didn't compile the plugins for el6 either..
Just compile the geany source rpm that you see on my el6 page and you'll get a geany-devel rpm.
I don't use el6 any more myself for my desktop machine so geany isn't particularly interesting to me on that platform any more. I do have geany, geany-devel and all of the geany plugins available as binary rpms on my el7 webpage, though that's probably not a lot of help to you. Be sure that you compile the source rpm on the el6 page if you're compiling for el6 since that includes a patch which is neither required or included in the el7 source rpm. The el7 source rpm (which is really just the Fedora 23 source rpm) won't compile on el6 as-is, which I discovered when I tried to compile it, and which is why I wrote the patch so it will work.
If you have trouble compiling the el6 geany source rpm let me know and I will compile it for you and make geany-devel available. There appears to be little demand for it, though, since you're the very first person to ask about it, ever.
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 21:14:01 +0100 H wrote:
Frank, I am working on trying to get the geany plugin library to work but have run into a problem because the file geany.pc is not found. My understanding from the geany list is that it should have been installed.
It does not seem to have been installed by your two packages - do you know where it can be found?
I have just now compiled binary rpms of all of the geany-plugins for Centos 6 and posted them on my webpage for download by anyone interested.
Merry Christmas.
On March 6, 2016 4:58:21 PM EST, Frank Cox theatre@melvilletheatre.com wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 21:14:01 +0100 H wrote:
Frank, I am working on trying to get the geany plugin library to work
but have run into a problem because the file geany.pc is not found.
My
understanding from the geany list is that it should have been
installed.
It does not seem to have been installed by your two packages - do you
know where it can be found?
I have just now compiled binary rpms of all of the geany-plugins for Centos 6 and posted them on my webpage for download by anyone interested.
Merry Christmas.
-- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Thank you very much! I have already downloaded and installed.
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:02:40PM +0100, H wrote:
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have recently discovered...
I don't want to spur an editor war, but I use emacs for programming and vim for quick edits, particularly on remote systems or inside a tmux shell.
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02, H wrote:
On 02/02/2016 03:50 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 02/02/2016 09:28 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want that, try another distribution like Fedora.
<rant> GNOME can get a rebase to a newer version, but KDE can't..... this from a former KDE user who would love to go back to KDE but refuses to deal with the issues older versions have.
This is, of course, an upstream issue and not a CentOS one, and I know that.... so I now use GNOME, even though it would be nice to see parity in the allowing of a rebase of KDE like the one for GNOME.
</rant>
There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: http: //www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php
Trinity Desktop (TDE), is a fork of KDE 3.x, and not updated from that. So in ways it is older, yet newer.
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have recently discovered...
Well, KDE has its own trouble, even upstream, and for RedHat / Fedora packagers KDE seems a clear second or third choice to work on.
The Gnome upgrade from Centos 7.1 to 7.2 was "urgs" and has driven me to switch to XFCE even @work, where I had to ask the sys-admins for allowance beforehand.
vim / gvim / jedit
Vim and its graphical frontend gvim are in use for nearly all my tasks as text-editors. A special place in my heart has (g)vimdiff which is a great help im my daily work (shell-scripts, php, css, html, js, and markdown make most the volume)
The availability of a very powerfull text editor that can be worked with in a terminal the same whether local or remote (via ssh) gives a concistency that other editors lack, or, in the case of emacs, are not my taste at all.
Jedit is java based, and for me in use where projects span bejond a single Operating System (Linux, Solaris, Windows and MacOS mostly).
- Yamaban
On 02/02/2016 07:19 PM, Yamaban wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:02, H wrote:
On 02/02/2016 03:50 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 02/02/2016 09:28 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want
that, try
another distribution like Fedora.
<rant> GNOME can get a rebase to a newer version, but KDE can't..... this from a former KDE user who would love to go back to KDE but refuses to deal with the issues older versions have.
This is, of course, an upstream issue and not a CentOS one, and I know that.... so I now use GNOME, even though it would be nice to see parity in the allowing of a rebase of KDE like the one for GNOME.
</rant>
There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: http: //www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php
Trinity Desktop (TDE), is a fork of KDE 3.x, and not updated from that. So in ways it is older, yet newer.
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have recently discovered...
Well, KDE has its own trouble, even upstream, and for RedHat / Fedora packagers KDE seems a clear second or third choice to work on.
The Gnome upgrade from Centos 7.1 to 7.2 was "urgs" and has driven me to switch to XFCE even @work, where I had to ask the sys-admins for allowance beforehand.
vim / gvim / jedit
Vim and its graphical frontend gvim are in use for nearly all my tasks as text-editors. A special place in my heart has (g)vimdiff which is a great help im my daily work (shell-scripts, php, css, html, js, and markdown make most the volume)
The availability of a very powerfull text editor that can be worked with in a terminal the same whether local or remote (via ssh) gives a concistency that other editors lack, or, in the case of emacs, are not my taste at all.
Jedit is java based, and for me in use where projects span bejond a single Operating System (Linux, Solaris, Windows and MacOS mostly).
- Yamaban
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Thank you, I will look at them. I did download the markdown plugin for gedit and used that editor for now.
On 2/2/2016 12:02 PM, H wrote:
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have
I used gedit and Windows' Notepad for a long time until I stumbled across SciTE.
I now use SciTE on CentOS 5, CentOS 7, and Windows because it's programmable and cross-platform. I have never actually used it on CentOS 6, though. It doesn't appear to support Markdown out of the box, either, but I think it's possible to add your own language files.
The last couple versions won't compile on CentOS 5, but I wasn't affected by any of the bugs they fixed and I'm migrating to 7 anyway.
On 02/02/2016 07:20 PM, Chris Beattie wrote:
On 2/2/2016 12:02 PM, H wrote:
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have
I used gedit and Windows' Notepad for a long time until I stumbled across SciTE.
I now use SciTE on CentOS 5, CentOS 7, and Windows because it's programmable and cross-platform. I have never actually used it on CentOS 6, though. It doesn't appear to support Markdown out of the box, either, but I think it's possible to add your own language files.
The last couple versions won't compile on CentOS 5, but I wasn't affected by any of the bugs they fixed and I'm migrating to 7 anyway.
Thank you, I will look at SciTE. I did download the markdown plugin for gedit and used that editor for now.
On 02/02/16 12:02, H wrote:
On 02/02/2016 03:50 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 02/02/2016 09:28 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
CentOS is not a bleeding-edge distribution that constantly keeps packages up to date with the upstream projects. If you want that, try another distribution like Fedora.
<rant> GNOME can get a rebase to a newer version, but KDE can't..... this from a former KDE user who would love to go back to KDE but refuses to deal with the issues older versions have.
This is, of course, an upstream issue and not a CentOS one, and I know that.... so I now use GNOME, even though it would be nice to see parity in the allowing of a rebase of KDE like the one for GNOME.
</rant>
There is a 3rd-party repository that might have an upgraded KDE: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php
Trinity Desktop (TDE), is a fork of KDE 3.x, and not updated from that. So in ways it is older, yet newer.
I use Eclipse. There are plug in extensions for pretty near any language you might favor.
Dear All,
Suppose I executed the command
rm -rf /
on my CentOS 7 box. After it did what it could, how much damage will be done to what I have (or _had_ rather ;-) on my hard drive?
I'm going to describe simple experiment which was prompted in another thread. I need to say a few words before I do it, however. First of all, that other thread was about doing the same thing on UEFI machine. This experiment has nothing to do with UEFI, it was done not with the goal to answer that question for UEFI machine.
What I did is this: I took two used drives (same manufacturer, same model, same size). Then on some (pre-UEFI) hardware I kick-start installed Development workstation (whith a bunch of scientific software I install for people in our department). I did this install twice, once of each of drives. Then I booted freshly installed system, went to virtual console, logged in as root, and did:
cd /
rm -rfv /
(yes, I decided to add verbose flag to see things flying away). Guess what? My clever CentOS 7 box told me that I am trying to remove everything from root filesystem, and failed (I know, rm is aliased to "rm -i", that still was not why this happened. Clever!). So, being determined to still attempt to remove everything, I executed the command with an extra option:
rm -rfv --no-preserve-root /
and finally things started flying away, then the box locked with a bunch of
rm: cannot remove "/proc/sys/fs...": permission denied
OK, looks like I achieved the goal. I let this "obliterated" box sit for another couple of hours like that. Then I did the only thing you can do in this situation: pulled the power cord.
After that was done, I had two drives: one subjected to "rm -rf /" and another not. This is not quite clean experiment as one drive was not a clone of another; kickstart strictly speaking does not guarantee the drives are identical. Also, as experiment is not clean, I decided I will not boot system with second drive at all.
Before I go to comparison of two drives I need to tell you that I still partition the drives when I install system, and here how the drive is partitioned (as configured in kickstart file):
partition number filesystem
1 /boot 2 /usr 3 /
5 /home 6 swap 7 /var 8 /tmp 9 /data
Now, I mounted each of the drives on different machine, and compared them to see what I still have on the drive I tried to obliterate wit "rm -rf /".
Here is what I see:
/ contains on its top level all what it did (plus one more file: core dump!) My /etc lives on root filesystem, so I looked how damaged that is.
On "obliterated" drive:
find /media/80caeb82-571a-4afe-b3bf-9bce1a35f49a/etc -type f | wc -l 2280
On intact comparison drive:
find /media/e2132f68-01a0-4815-aa38-1180ebcd41dc/etc -type f | wc -l 2272
(a few things did not create on comparison drive which I never booted). In general, all seems intact!
I have /usr on separate partition, let's see what happened to /usr:
On "obliterated" drive:
find /media/39766043-9733-4f76-800f-696e604845ff -type f | wc -l 289498
du -s /media/39766043-9733-4f76-800f-696e604845ff 7438636 /media/39766043-9733-4f76-800f-696e604845ff
On intact comparison drive:
find /media/a3912c30-bf5f-4788-83f7-70756ef4b4ac -type f | wc -l 289498
du -s /media/a3912c30-bf5f-4788-83f7-70756ef4b4ac 7438640 /media/a3912c30-bf5f-4788-83f7-70756ef4b4ac
Well, all seems intact again.
OK, now: how about stuff that in / comes alphabetically before /dev? First, symlink /bin (pointing to /usr/bin) stayed intact! This is not what I expected, but I'm sure some clever person will explain that. Second, I have two different partitions mounted as /boot and /data. Both of them are gone (though their mount points stayed intact).
By no means I am considering myself an expert, but what I see is pretty much what I expected. Namely, the kernel talks to hard drive via block device (or raw device whenever applicable). Therefore, once resembling device is deleted from /dev, there will be no more changes to the content on hard drive platters. So, all in all "rm -rf /" is much less disatrous than it sounds. It only obliterates stuff that every sysadmin can re-create (like /boot or /bin bacl then when it was not symlink to /usr/bin). So, happy "rm -rf /"-ing everybody!
I know there are many experts on this list (from whom I constantly learn something!). They probably give much better explanation of what I observed in the experiment I described.
Cheers,
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 02/02/2016 04:57 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
Suppose I executed the command rm -rf / on my CentOS 7 box. After it did what it could, how much damage will be done to what I have (or _had_ rather ;-) on my hard drive?
In your experiment, rm processed /boot and /data first, and then /proc, where it hung removing one file. There are two important details to consider. First, that behavior doesn't appear to be standard. If I run "rm -rf /proc" on other kernels, rm doesn't hang. On systems running those kernels, rm will remove all of the files in the filesystem hierarchy. Second, on systems running that kernel, no more data was removed because readdir('/') returned /proc before the directories that rm didn't process.
and finally things started flying away, then the box locked with a bunch of rm: cannot remove "/proc/sys/fs...": permission denied
The box did not "lock". Press Ctrl+c on the terminal, and rm will exit. What happened is simply that rm tried to unlink a file in /proc, and the syscall didn't return. I'm not sure why that happens, but it doesn't appear to be a feature.
OK, now: how about stuff that in / comes alphabetically before /dev?
As I told you before, rm doesn't process directory trees in alphabetical order.
First, symlink /bin (pointing to /usr/bin) stayed intact! This is not what I expected, but I'm sure some clever person will explain that.
I did, in the previous thread.
Second, I have two different partitions mounted as /boot and /data. Both of them are gone (though their mount points stayed intact).
Directory entry order is in unpredictable. It's not possible to unlink a directory where a filesystem is mounted, which is why the mount point is intact, but its content is gone.
By no means I am considering myself an expert, but what I see is pretty much what I expected. Namely, the kernel talks to hard drive via block device (or raw device whenever applicable).
That is incorrect, and a much simpler test can verify that. First, rm -rf /dev/*, then remove any file, or write any file. Reboot. Your changes will have been saved, demonstrating that /dev is not required after a filesystem is mounted.
Once you've completed that experiment, you can simulate the effect of rm -rf on different kernels by unmounting /proc and then issuing "rm -rfv --no-preserve-root /". When it completes, your filesystem will be empty except for the handful of directories that are used for mount points.
Therefore, once resembling device is deleted from /dev, there will be no more changes to the content on hard drive platters. So, all in all "rm -rf /" is much less disatrous than it sounds. It only obliterates stuff that every sysadmin can re-create (like /boot or /bin bacl then when it was not symlink to /usr/bin). So, happy "rm -rf /"-ing everybody!
No.
On Feb 2, 2016, at 17:57, Valeri Galtsev galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Dear All,
Suppose I executed the command
rm -rf /
There was also this article recently that pointed out that if the box boots via UEFI, you may brick the machine, depending on setup.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=UEFI-rm-root-director...
— Nate
On Fri, February 5, 2016 1:55 pm, Nathan Duehr wrote:
On Feb 2, 2016, at 17:57, Valeri Galtsev galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Dear All,
Suppose I executed the command
rm -rf /
There was also this article recently that pointed out that if the box boots via UEFI, you may brick the machine, depending on setup.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=UEFI-rm-root-director...
I know, there is separate thread about You trimmed away what I said I purposefully did experiment on NON - UEFI hardware... So, your comment belonges to that other thread, you may want to re-post it as reply to one of the messages of _that_ thread.
This thread had actually been closed by one of the experts who dismantled every one of my no-expert statements. However, as far as my experiment is concerned, the fact stayed for me as a fact, namely: we all are scared that that command will leave us loosing everything we have on the hard drive. In my experiment I lost only /boot. Whoever is interested, should be able to find original description of my experiment in list archives. And don't miss the post of an expert! I'm sure both on them will encourage your brain to to do some exercises which always is educational.
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 02/05/16 14:55, Nathan Duehr wrote:
On Feb 2, 2016, at 17:57, Valeri Galtsev galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Dear All,
Suppose I executed the command
rm -rf /
There was also this article recently that pointed out that if the box boots via UEFI, you may brick the machine, depending on setup.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=UEFI-rm-root-director...
— Nate
So let me get this straight. You are saying that you can make changes to the MB ROM/EPROM/whatever hardware the vendor uses, by issuing an erase command on a hard drive? I'm having a bit of trouble believing that.
You might be able to trash the system on the HD to a point that it is unrecoverable. I will believe that.
When you're done trashing the system you just have to reinstall the system just like you would with a clean new HD.
All that UEFI crap is built into the MB in Read Only hardware. A new HD does not come with any of the UEFI files or directories already on the disk. All that is created at the initial install. Blowing them away with a remove command does nothing to the MB hardware because it's Read Only hardware.
On 02/05/2016 06:31 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
So let me get this straight. You are saying that you can make changes to the MB ROM/EPROM/whatever hardware the vendor uses, by issuing an erase command on a hard drive?
No, but you can erase the UEFI variables by issuing "rm" on them if the OS presents them as a part of the filesystem, as Linux does. You know, the UNIX design philosophy of "everything is a file"?
Not all of the filesystem represents sectors on a hard drive.
You might be able to trash the system on the HD to a point that it is unrecoverable. I will believe that.
When you're done trashing the system you just have to reinstall the system just like you would with a clean new HD.
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402
On some systems, wiping the UEFI variables renders the system completely unbootable. It shouldn't, but there are some bad UEFI implementations out there.
All that UEFI crap is built into the MB in Read Only hardware. A new HD does not come with any of the UEFI files or directories already on the disk. All that is created at the initial install. Blowing them away with a remove command does nothing to the MB hardware because it's Read Only hardware.
The UEFI configuration is entirely RW.
On 03/02/16 04:02, H wrote:
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have recently discovered...
Sublime Text [0] slaughters them all, IMO, except for VIM at the CLI!
On Tue, February 9, 2016 8:36 pm, Anthony K wrote:
On 03/02/16 04:02, H wrote:
What do people use as a programming editor on CentOS 6? My first impression of kate was favorable, not only did it support the usual programming and scripting languages but also markdown which I have recently discovered...
Sublime Text [0] slaughters them all, IMO, except for VIM at the CLI!
I for one am staying away from proprietary software at least for myself - to the best of my ability.
Just my $0.02
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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