On Thu, March 20, 2014 17:34, Always Learning wrote:
Nothing remains static. Software evolves into usually superior products. Sentimentally longing for the past hampers the introduction of new and better replacements.
Yes. For example look how MicroSoft has improved Windows since XPsp3.;-^)
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 08:33:19AM -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:
On Thu, March 20, 2014 17:34, Always Learning wrote:
Nothing remains static. Software evolves into usually superior products. Sentimentally longing for the past hampers the introduction of new and better replacements.
Yes. For example look how MicroSoft has improved Windows since XPsp3.;-^)
This whole conversation is meaningless. Our opinions on what Fedora does or doesn't do or what Puttering does or doesn't wreck next are irrelevant.
John
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:33 AM, James B. Byrne byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca wrote:
On Thu, March 20, 2014 17:34, Always Learning wrote:
Nothing remains static. Software evolves into usually superior products. Sentimentally longing for the past hampers the introduction of new and better replacements.
Yes. For example look how MicroSoft has improved Windows since XPsp3.;-^)
I wouldn't know. I don't use it. I've been programming professionally since 1975 and I've managed to never use Windows.
Larry Martell wrote:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:33 AM, James B. Byrne byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca wrote:
On Thu, March 20, 2014 17:34, Always Learning wrote:
Nothing remains static. Software evolves into usually superior products. Sentimentally longing for the past hampers the introduction
of new and
better replacements.
Yes. For example look how MicroSoft has improved Windows since XPsp3.;-^)
I wouldn't know. I don't use it. I've been programming professionally since 1975 and I've managed to never use Windows.
1980. and I've had to. But I worked long and hard to get into *Nix, and with one 1.25 year excursion otherwise, have managed to stay here.
So I *do* object to my toolset being cut down or mangled when it's unnecessary. tcp.wrappers, no big deal. Non-plain text configuration files, or crap that invokes crap that invokes crap to do what was formerly done by one program that read one simple configuration file, not so much....
mark
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Larry Martell wrote:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:33 AM, James B. Byrne byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca wrote:
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Yes. For example look how MicroSoft has improved Windows since XPsp3.;-^)
I wouldn't know. I don't use it. I've been programming professionally since 1975 and I've managed to never use Windows.
- and I've had to. But I worked long and hard to get into *Nix, and
with one 1.25 year excursion otherwise, have managed to stay here.
1966, and I have never used anything Microsoft willingly other than their "Natural" keyboard and wireless mice :-).
So I *do* object to my toolset being cut down or mangled when it's unnecessary. tcp.wrappers, no big deal. Non-plain text configuration files, or crap that invokes crap that invokes crap to do what was formerly done by one program that read one simple configuration file, not so much....
Remember when SuSE's yast maintained a central configuration file, and would overwrite manually changed Linux configuration files if one changed something in the GUI? So many experienced admins complained that they finally went back to honoring the manual changes.
Then there's the infamous Windows Registry....
Bill
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, James B. Byrne byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca wrote:
Nothing remains static. Software evolves into usually superior products. Sentimentally longing for the past hampers the introduction of new and better replacements.
Yes. For example look how MicroSoft has improved Windows since XPsp3.;-^)
Not sure when the capability was added, but the Windows Server versions' ability to convert a standard single NTFS volume to dynamiic and then add a RAID mirror is really quite nice. And unlike the linux counterparts it works on the fly with full backwards compatibility. You don't have to load some fuse module to hook up some experimental filesystem with some new bizarre configuration syntax and figure out a different way to boot it.
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 08:33 -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:
On Thu, March 20, 2014 17:34, Always Learning wrote:
Nothing remains static. Software evolves into usually superior products. Sentimentally longing for the past hampers the introduction of new and better replacements.
Yes. For example look how MicroSoft has improved Windows since XPsp3.;-^)
Thankfully and gratefully: Linux <> Microsoft.
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