Folks
I've been trying to convert my systems to Centos 8, seeing the EOL on the horizon a few years away. One of my systems is a Mac-Mini, and support for that has been discontinued. I'm wondering what the community suggests among these alternatives:
1) Stay with Centos 7 even after EOL hoping market pressures will add Mac-Mini support
2) Spend a few hundred dollars on a small, **quiet** replacement (ugh)
3) Convert to the Debian/Ubuntu distro.
4) Hope someone figures out a solution.
By the way, the same issue exists, I believe, also for other Mac products, such as the newer laptops and servers.
David
Hi,
Folks
I've been trying to convert my systems to Centos 8, seeing the EOL on the horizon a few years away. One of my systems is a Mac-Mini, and support for that has been discontinued. I'm wondering what the community suggests among these alternatives:
- Stay with Centos 7 even after EOL hoping market pressures will
add Mac-Mini support
Spend a few hundred dollars on a small, **quiet** replacement (ugh)
Convert to the Debian/Ubuntu distro.
Hope someone figures out a solution.
By the way, the same issue exists, I believe, also for other Mac products, such as the newer laptops and servers.
I can't speak for Macs as I never had or used something from Apple. But, CentOS 8 also doesn't support a lot of other older hardware and you may find support for the hardware in the ElRepo repository.
Regards, Simon
On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:42:25 -0700 david david@daku.org wrote:
Folks
I've been trying to convert my systems to Centos 8, seeing the EOL on the horizon a few years away. One of my systems is a Mac-Mini, and support for that has been discontinued. I'm wondering what the community suggests among these alternatives:
I can't be specific since you didn't say how you're using the Mini. You don't even say if the Mini is PPC, i386, or x86_64.
- Stay with Centos 7 even after EOL hoping market pressures will
add Mac-Mini support
My guess is that RH will focus on the server market.
- Spend a few hundred dollars on a small, **quiet** replacement
(ugh)
2a) Stay on C7 until EOL (in 4 years). Then re-evaluate your hardware needs and availablilty.
Convert to the Debian/Ubuntu distro.
Hope someone figures out a solution.
Beware. This might end up being very fragile.
5) Switch to Fedora which has better hardware support and more software.
Jim
On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:42:25 -0700 david david@daku.org wrote:
Folks
I've been trying to convert my systems to Centos 8, seeing the EOL on the horizon a few years away. One of my systems is a Mac-Mini, and support for that has been discontinued. I'm wondering what the community suggests among these alternatives:
I run CentOS 7 in production, but use Ubuntu for my development desktop. Ubuntu is much more geared to desktop, but I would not use it in a server environment.
Todd Merriman Software Toolz, Inc.
Le 13/05/2020 à 22:30, MAILIST a écrit :
I run CentOS 7 in production, but use Ubuntu for my development desktop. Ubuntu is much more geared to desktop, but I would not use it in a server environment.
Similar setup here, with CentOS 7 on production servers, and OpenSUSE Leap on all desktop clients.
Happy camper. :o)
At 01:25 PM 5/13/2020, James Szinger wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:42:25 -0700 david david@daku.org wrote:
Folks
I've been trying to convert my systems to Centos 8, seeing the EOL on the horizon a few years away. One of my systems is a Mac-Mini, and support for that has been discontinued. I'm wondering what the community suggests among these alternatives:
I can't be specific since you didn't say how you're using the Mini. You don't even say if the Mini is PPC, i386, or x86_64.
- Stay with Centos 7 even after EOL hoping market pressures will
add Mac-Mini support
My guess is that RH will focus on the server market.
- Spend a few hundred dollars on a small, **quiet** replacement
(ugh)
2a) Stay on C7 until EOL (in 4 years). Then re-evaluate your hardware needs and availablilty.
Convert to the Debian/Ubuntu distro.
Hope someone figures out a solution.
Beware. This might end up being very fragile.
- Switch to Fedora which has better hardware support and more software.
Jim ___________
Jim Sorry that I omitted those details, so... Intended use: Gateway to my in-house network, providing DNS (internal only), DHCP, Mail server, and web server, backup storage for some systems
As a web server, the load is low, so large USB-connected disk works just fine. As a backup device, I am using ZFS and it works well. As a mail server, it's my personal mail primarily, likely running sendmail or postfix.
Mac-mini is an x86_64.
For use as a gateway, I use the Ethernet connect as a link to a gigabyte switch and WiFi access point, and use a usb-connected dongle for the ethernet connect to the modem/internet.
David
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:37 PM david david@daku.org wrote:
At 01:25 PM 5/13/2020, James Szinger wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:42:25 -0700 david david@daku.org wrote:
Folks
I've been trying to convert my systems to Centos 8, seeing the EOL on the horizon a few years away. One of my systems is a Mac-Mini, and support for that has been discontinued. I'm wondering what the community suggests among these alternatives:
I can't be specific since you didn't say how you're using the Mini. You don't even say if the Mini is PPC, i386, or x86_64.
- Stay with Centos 7 even after EOL hoping market pressures will
add Mac-Mini support
My guess is that RH will focus on the server market.
- Spend a few hundred dollars on a small, **quiet** replacement
(ugh)
2a) Stay on C7 until EOL (in 4 years). Then re-evaluate your hardware needs and availablilty.
Convert to the Debian/Ubuntu distro.
Hope someone figures out a solution.
Beware. This might end up being very fragile.
- Switch to Fedora which has better hardware support and more software.
Jim ___________
Jim Sorry that I omitted those details, so... Intended use: Gateway to my in-house network, providing DNS (internal only), DHCP, Mail server, and web server, backup storage for some systems
As a web server, the load is low, so large USB-connected disk works just fine. As a backup device, I am using ZFS and it works well. As a mail server, it's my personal mail primarily, likely running sendmail or postfix.
Two thoughts:
1) Have you considered moving the storage business to another host so not to have a single point of failure? 2) Would a $60 Raspberry Pi 4GB be a good replacement? 2 USB3 ports and 1 GB ether port. My Synology storage appliance thingie is much dumber than that and has not missed a beat in years.
Mac-mini is an x86_64.
For use as a gateway, I use the Ethernet connect as a link to a gigabyte switch and WiFi access point, and use a usb-connected dongle for the ethernet connect to the modem/internet.
David
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
At Wed, 13 May 2020 19:22:06 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:37 PM david david@daku.org wrote:
At 01:25 PM 5/13/2020, James Szinger wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:42:25 -0700 david david@daku.org wrote:
Folks
I've been trying to convert my systems to Centos 8, seeing the EOL on the horizon a few years away. One of my systems is a Mac-Mini, and support for that has been discontinued. I'm wondering what the community suggests among these alternatives:
I can't be specific since you didn't say how you're using the Mini. You don't even say if the Mini is PPC, i386, or x86_64.
- Stay with Centos 7 even after EOL hoping market pressures will
add Mac-Mini support
My guess is that RH will focus on the server market.
- Spend a few hundred dollars on a small, **quiet** replacement
(ugh)
2a) Stay on C7 until EOL (in 4 years). Then re-evaluate your hardware needs and availablilty.
Convert to the Debian/Ubuntu distro.
Hope someone figures out a solution.
Beware. This might end up being very fragile.
- Switch to Fedora which has better hardware support and more software.
Jim ___________
Jim Sorry that I omitted those details, so... Intended use: Gateway to my in-house network, providing DNS (internal only), DHCP, Mail server, and web server, backup storage for some systems
As a web server, the load is low, so large USB-connected disk works just fine. As a backup device, I am using ZFS and it works well. As a mail server, it's my personal mail primarily, likely running sendmail or postfix.
Two thoughts:
- Have you considered moving the storage business to another host so
not to have a single point of failure? 2) Would a $60 Raspberry Pi 4GB be a good replacement? 2 USB3 ports and 1 GB ether port. My Synology storage appliance thingie is much dumber than that and has not missed a beat in years.
There are some Chinese 64-bit ARM boards (Cubitruck, Banana Pi) that include SATA interfaces. There also various Allwinner A64 boards out there. There are some people in Bulgaria that have an ARM-based (Allwinner A64) "laptop" kit, and sells the parts separately, so one can build a custom "box" with a 64-bit ARM that is not specificly a laptop.
Some of the Chinese 64-bit ARM boards have multiple network ports, mini-PCI, built in Ethernet switches -- these are intended as the guts for a router (some can also be used as WiFi access points). And some of these also have SATA ports.
I don't know if *CentOS* is supported, but there are Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora images available for these.
Mac-mini is an x86_64.
For use as a gateway, I use the Ethernet connect as a link to a gigabyte switch and WiFi access point, and use a usb-connected dongle for the ethernet connect to the modem/internet.
David
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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--On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:22 PM -0400 Mauricio Tavares raubvogel@gmail.com wrote:
- Have you considered moving the storage business to another host so
not to have a single point of failure? 2) Would a $60 Raspberry Pi 4GB be a good replacement? 2 USB3 ports and 1 GB ether port. My Synology storage appliance thingie is much dumber than that and has not missed a beat in years.
I'm using CentOS 7 and 8 for internal servers but use OpenWrt on a consumer router to do the fancy traffic balancing with the "cake" traffic control module, something the old kernel in CentOS 7 lacks.
I'm running an email server with Dovecot IMAP, Spamassassin, and ClamAV and that's a bit of a load so I suspect a Pi would be underpowered for that.
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From: "david" david@daku.org To: "CentOS mailing list" centos@centos.org, centos@centos.org Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 1:34:43 PM Subject: Re: [CentOS] Can't move to Centos 8
At 01:25 PM 5/13/2020, James Szinger wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:42:25 -0700 david david@daku.org wrote:
Folks
I've been trying to convert my systems to Centos 8, seeing the EOL on the horizon a few years away. One of my systems is a Mac-Mini, and support for that has been discontinued. I'm wondering what the community suggests among these alternatives:
I can't be specific since you didn't say how you're using the Mini. You don't even say if the Mini is PPC, i386, or x86_64.
- Stay with Centos 7 even after EOL hoping market pressures will
add Mac-Mini support
My guess is that RH will focus on the server market.
- Spend a few hundred dollars on a small, **quiet** replacement
(ugh)
2a) Stay on C7 until EOL (in 4 years). Then re-evaluate your hardware needs and availablilty.
Convert to the Debian/Ubuntu distro.
Hope someone figures out a solution.
Beware. This might end up being very fragile.
- Switch to Fedora which has better hardware support and more software.
Jim ___________
Jim Sorry that I omitted those details, so... Intended use: Gateway to my in-house network, providing DNS (internal only), DHCP, Mail server, and web server, backup storage for some systems
As a web server, the load is low, so large USB-connected disk works just fine. As a backup device, I am using ZFS and it works well. As a mail server, it's my personal mail primarily, likely running sendmail or postfix.
Mac-mini is an x86_64.
For use as a gateway, I use the Ethernet connect as a link to a gigabyte switch and WiFi access point, and use a usb-connected dongle for the ethernet connect to the modem/internet.
David
You can pickup a refurbished Dell optiplex small form factor PC with 3+Ghz core i5, 8GB RAM, and HDD, shipped for less than $100 on ebay. It even has slots for more half height pci-e cards. This is what I use for my router/NAS at home running CentOS 8 with ZFSonLinux.
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