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Taco Scargo

5 May 2004 5 May '04

8:59 a.m.

Hi,

I am deciding on what 'RHEL clone' to use and prefer to use one that has a quick release after RedHat releases an update.

I checked the repositories, but have not encountered any of the latest errata. Am I looking at the wrong place ?

Thanks,

Taco

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Taco Scargo

5 May 5 May

9:06 a.m.

New subject: [Centos] How quickly are RHEL errata released as CentOS errata ?

Sorry to have polluted you inboxes.... I have found the updates directory myself now. Must have still slept while I was browsing the mirror.

Thanks,

Taco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taco Scargo" centos@nospamplease.scargo.nl To: centos@caosity.org Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: [Centos] How quickly are RHEL errata released as CentOS errata ?

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Hi,

I am deciding on what 'RHEL clone' to use and prefer to use one that has a quick release after RedHat releases an update.

I checked the repositories, but have not encountered any of the latest errata. Am I looking at the wrong place ?

Thanks,

Taco

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Johnny Hughes

9:15 a.m.

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On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 03:59, Taco Scargo wrote:

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Hi,

I am deciding on what 'RHEL clone' to use and prefer to use one that has a quick release after RedHat releases an update.

CentOS Release 3.1 now includes all updates released before March 19, 2004, later ones are in the updates repo.

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I checked the repositories, but have not encountered any of the latest errata. Am I looking at the wrong place ?

Here are all the updates after March 19, 2004:

http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/updates/i386/RPMS/

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Thanks,

Taco

I won't try to steer you to one RHEL clone or the other, but basically WhiteBox EL (www.whiteboxlinux.org), Tao (www.taolinux.org) and CentOS are functionally the same.

I like the fact that CentOS did a respin on 3/19/2004 ... WhiteBoxEL is also planning a respin after the next quarterly update cycle from RedHat.

I am on both the CentOS and WhiteBoxEL mailing lists (I use both distros) and I think either will fit the bill and both do updates fairly quickly. CentOS seems to have more developers doing the updates, but the WhiteBox mailing list is more active. It is pretty much a tossup ... which is why I have both installed.

Tao is probably good too, but I don't use it, so I can't really comment on it.

Also, another good RHEL clone is Fermi Linux (http://www-oss.fnal.gov/projects/fermilinux/lts301/index.html). I have installed it, but I didn't continue to use it and have since erased it ... so I can't really comment on Fermi Linux either.

- Johnny Hughes

Troy Engel

5:13 p.m.

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Johnny Hughes wrote:

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I am on both the CentOS and WhiteBoxEL mailing lists (I use both distros) and I think either will fit the bill and both do updates fairly quickly. CentOS seems to have more developers doing the updates, but the WhiteBox mailing list is more active. It is pretty much a tossup ... which is why I have both installed.

I've thought about this -- why doesn't CentOS and WBEL merge? It sure seems like they do exactly the same thing. I'm sure people have thought about it, is there already a thread archived on this somewhere you know about?

-te

-- Troy Engel | Systems Engineer Fluid, Inc | http://www.fluid.com

Greg Kurtzer

6:02 p.m.

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On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 10:13:20AM -0700, Troy Engel told me:

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I've thought about this -- why doesn't CentOS and WBEL merge? It sure seems like they do exactly the same thing. I'm sure people have thought about it, is there already a thread archived on this somewhere you know about?

Here is an order of events as I recall...:

- decided on making a new linux distro called caos - build infrastructure and community to implement plans - talked with rhel-rebuild people about making a 'product' - publicly released plans for another distro called caos-el (centos) - built infrastructure and general policies - we were about 2/3rds of the way through when WBEL was announced - I sent email to JohnM about working together, and had no response - we continued on our path because several of us could not reach JohnM - DavidP contacted us to tell us that Tao Linux was releasing - We worked with David and offered resources (now we share a bugzilla) - Centos was released

More partnerships with WBEL were abandoned because JohnM seemed hard to communicate with. Also, (I know this sounds bad, and I apologize in advance for it) but he is 1 hacker. We already had a handful of good hackers that were teaming up on this project. It did not make sense for us to stop working or pursue further partnerships with the WBEL project.

While I _really_ hate to have redundant efforts in the community, sometimes it is unavoidable. :(

-- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/

Troy Engel

6:43 p.m.

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Greg Kurtzer wrote:

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Here is an order of events as I recall...: ... While I _really_ hate to have redundant efforts in the community, sometimes it is unavoidable. :(

Thanks for such a great rundown -- for those like me new to this all, it's a good history primer. Well, the best we can all hope for is to forge ahead with good faith, and maybe cooperation will happen in the future.

I personally went with CentOS because of what you also saw -- when looking at "things", it felt like CentOS was more of a team effort with multiple developers and a good roadmap than WBEL (not putting WBEL down at all, never tried it). I, like many others, are simply trying to adopt the 'right' distro for machines we don't want to touch, and don't need highpriced RHEL support.

-te

-- Troy Engel | Systems Engineer Fluid, Inc | http://www.fluid.com

John Newbigin

11:14 p.m.

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I don't think you are querying CentOS-2 but for the record, patches for CentOS-2 should be available on mirror.centos.org within 24 hours of the srpm becoming available.

There are a number of steps which can stall this process. Redhat releasing the srpm. The srpm getting to a mirror in Australia. Me downloading from the mirror. Me checking what has changed and making modifications if necessary. Me building & testing the update. Me uploading to mirror.centos.org.

If you are lucky, all this will happen while you are sleeping and in the morning there will be a shiny new update to install. :)

All the CentOS-2 updates are in the centos-2/updates directory, even the ones which are included on the install CD.

John.

Taco Scargo wrote:

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Hi,

I am deciding on what 'RHEL clone' to use and prefer to use one that has a quick release after RedHat releases an update.

I checked the repositories, but have not encountered any of the latest errata. Am I looking at the wrong place ?

Thanks,

Taco

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-- John Newbigin - Computer Systems Officer School of Information Technology Swinburne University of Technology Melbourne, Australia http://www.it.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin

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