On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 10:09 +1000, David Beveridge wrote:
There is this
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar
based on fedora, for younger children.
Thanks Dave.
But, looking at the initial web page, this is NOT what I believe is required.
For example, on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_an_Activity#Overview_of_unique_hardware_e...
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"When you have at least ten lines of code
At this point you are ready to host your code in a repository so that other developers can look at it. You should also create trac tickets to track bugs and feature requests. One of the main OLPC communication systems is through the dev.laptop.org trac page where people can see the status of activities as releases are prepared, testers can file bug reports, and translators can submit translations of your activity. You need to do three things to set this system up:
1. Request project hosting: You need to fill out an application and send it to the devel list (another good reason to join).
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That does not seem to be directed at children, curious children and children with a desire for inspirational news and information.
Might be OK for them grown-ups. Not so great for CHILDREN.
If the children already know about IP addresses, have some concept of servers and clients and want to play with making a web site (basic HTML followed with some CSS), then Sugar is way-off the mark as the Americans say.
Children, and indeed people, develop at different ages. I think what is needed is something like, for example,
- what is a computer
- the basis and basics of Linux
- Centos simply
If a four year old can ask why is the sky blue, and then a 10 year old already familiar with IPv4 wants to know how he can make a simple web page, Sugar is not the answer.
Lets give the children something really great, awesome, interesting and thought provoking.
op 04-04-14 03:01, Always Learning schreef:
On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 10:09 +1000, David Beveridge wrote:
There is this
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar
based on fedora, for younger children.
Thanks Dave.
But, looking at the initial web page, this is NOT what I believe is required.
For example, on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_an_Activity#Overview_of_unique_hardware_e...
"When you have at least ten lines of code
At this point you are ready to host your code in a repository so that other developers can look at it. You should also create trac tickets to track bugs and feature requests. One of the main OLPC communication systems is through the dev.laptop.org trac page where people can see the status of activities as releases are prepared, testers can file bug reports, and translators can submit translations of your activity. You need to do three things to set this system up:
1. Request project hosting: You need to fill out an application and send it to the devel list (another good reason to join).
That does not seem to be directed at children, curious children and children with a desire for inspirational news and information.
Might be OK for them grown-ups. Not so great for CHILDREN.
If the children already know about IP addresses, have some concept of servers and clients and want to play with making a web site (basic HTML followed with some CSS), then Sugar is way-off the mark as the Americans say.
Children, and indeed people, develop at different ages. I think what is needed is something like, for example,
- what is a computer
- the basis and basics of Linux
- Centos simply
If a four year old can ask why is the sky blue, and then a 10 year old already familiar with IPv4 wants to know how he can make a simple web page, Sugar is not the answer.
Lets give the children something really great, awesome, interesting and thought provoking.
Hello,
I now see that there is a Fedora edu spin in-the-making.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education
I can understand why this list is not too warm with the idea of Centos for children. A lot of people on the list are trained professionals who are responsible for critical systems. No doubt everyone would gladly promote Centos, but probably and understandably, most are short on free time.
No reason to reïnvent the wheel . Let's find out how the Fedora project is doing.
Friendly regards, J.
I have been considering doing a basic intro to computing course along these lines aimed at 8-12yo kids. The school where my kids go have XO machines that run Sugar Desktop for the little kids and gnome for the older kids. We just upgraded all the XO machines to something based on Fedora18. (from 17)
That school has a lot of Window PCs and tablets, but the XOs outnumber the PCs. A Typical class will have 20-25 XO (1 per child) and maybe 5 PC and 5 tablet. The computers are really there as a tool to teach them reading, maths, science etc not really for them to learn about computing.
I was hoping to introduce them to some of the fundamentals of computing and let them make up their own minds.
I don't think you can just jump into CentOS or any other operating system and truly understand how it works without some background.
I started to write down some topics I might teach at a lunchtime computer club. The idea is to give a basic introduction, so they have heard of the terms and can go look up more things in Wikipedia or Google.
Of course I would use the Linux based XO laptops for any practical hands on stuff.
COMPUTER BASICS AND INTRO TO HARDWARE Input, Store/Process, Output Binary, Hexadecimal, ASCII, UCS2, GB2312, UTF8 CPU, Intel, AMD, ARM Memory, RAM, ROM, Flash Hard Disk, SSD, SATA, SAS Removable Media, USB, SDCARD Power Supplies, UPS
INTERNETWORKING Ethernet, Packets Network layers - Physical, Link, Network, Session, Presentation, Application WiFi, PPP, DSL (Link) TCP/IP, DHCP, NAT (Network) [mention IPv4 & IPv6] Domains and DNS, Email HTTP, FTP, SSH, SIP (Session) Google, Apple, Microsoft, Linux (Presentation, Application)
OPERATING SYSTEMS Microsoft Windows & Metro Apple OSX & IOS Google Android Linux, Fedora/RHEL/CentOS, Ubuntu/Debian, Mint, FreeBSD, OpenBSD
LICENSING AND OTHER LEGAL STUFF GNU, Free, OpenSource Shareware Proprietary software (EULA) - Payware Software patents
PROGRAMMING FUNDAMENTALS Hello World Assignment, Operators Flow Control Looping Events Classes
PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE TYPES Assembler Compiled Interpreted Template 4GL
DATABASES Row, Column, Key Create, Update, Retrieve, Delete Relationships SQL
AUDIO VISUAL DATA FORMATS A: mp3, ac3 V: jpeg, png, gif, svg S: sub AV: mpeg, divx, xvid, mp4, avi AVS: mkv
WHAT ARE APPLICATIONS AND WHAT DO THEY DO Word Processing Spreadsheet Presentation Photo Editing Accounting
OTHER IDEAS Gibibytes vs Gigabytes OpenGL vs DirectX
THE NEXT YEAR Arduino Projects
If anyone see's any gaping holes please point them out.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.bewrote:
op 04-04-14 03:01, Always Learning schreef:
On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 10:09 +1000, David Beveridge wrote:
Children, and indeed people, develop at different ages. I think what is needed is something like, for example,
- what is a computer
- the basis and basics of Linux
- Centos simply
If a four year old can ask why is the sky blue, and then a 10 year old already familiar with IPv4 wants to know how he can make a simple web page, Sugar is not the answer.
Depends on the age group, as you've pointed out.
Lets give the children something really great, awesome, interesting and thought provoking.
Hello,
I now see that there is a Fedora edu spin in-the-making.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education
It is better to support Fedora than to "reinvent the wheel" with an identical/similar CentOS spin. The software selection is larger with Fedora than with CentOS.
I would suggest it is best to look at what Fedora is currently doing or even planning on doing. See if there's something better or vastly different that CentOS can offer.
I can understand why this list is not too warm with the idea of Centos for children. A lot of people on the list are trained professionals who are responsible for critical systems.
Yep.
No doubt everyone would gladly promote Centos, but probably and understandably, most are short on free time.
No reason to reïnvent the wheel . Let's find out how the Fedora project is doing.
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