I have done some Googling on this but everything I've found appears to be at least 2 years old and mostly refers to Gnome
TBH, I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned it - maybe it's only happened to me.
At some point over the last few months the behaviour of the scroll bars changed and I'm finding it very annoying.
Firstly, the arrows have vanished.
Secondly, when clicking on the scroll bar background either above or below the drag bar instead of doing a page up or page down which is what it used to do (and what I want it to continue doing) it now moves the scroll bar to that absolute position, i.e. if I click on 75% down the scroll bar it jumps to 75% of the document.
As this is happening in all apps I'm assuming it's something within KDE that had changed.
I'm running an up-to-date Centos 7 x64 running the KDE desktop.
Anyone got suggestions on how I can get back the the old style (windows clone) behaviour and appearance?
I agree that issue with the scroll bar jumping all over is really annoying! It is actually a feature of Gnome and GTK. It can be changed by editing a file:
~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[Settings] gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0
You may have to create this file. Firefox is a good GTK application to verify that the setting works. I use it on a CentOS 7 system which uses LXDE for the desktop.
In Fedora there is an item in Settings which can control this. It is in the System Settings application: Appearance - Application Style - Gnome Application Style and is called "On left-clicking the scroll bar".
As for your first question, I do not know how to get the arrows back. I have not missed them.
On Friday 12 October 2018 12:19:40 Bill Gee wrote:
I agree that issue with the scroll bar jumping all over is really annoying! It is actually a feature of Gnome and GTK. It can be changed by editing a file:
~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[Settings] gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0
You may have to create this file. Firefox is a good GTK application to verify that the setting works. I use it on a CentOS 7 system which uses LXDE for the desktop.
In Fedora there is an item in Settings which can control this. It is in the System Settings application: Appearance - Application Style - Gnome Application Style and is called "On left-clicking the scroll bar".
As for your first question, I do not know how to get the arrows back. I have not missed them.
Thanks for this.
I created the file as described.
[gary@gary ~]$ cat .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini [Settings] gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0 [gary@gary ~]$
and rebooted. Unfortunately it's not made any difference :(
Any ideas what I can try next?
Hmmm.....
I have only tested in FireFox. What application are you using? REboot should not be required. Perhaps logout/login if Gnome is your desktop, but as I recall in my testing, a mere restart of the application was all that was needed.
It should affect GTK applications, but probably nothing else (KDE/Plasma, for example).
I agree that issue with the scroll bar jumping all over is really annoying! It is actually a feature of Gnome and GTK. It can be changed by editing a file:
~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[Settings] gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0
I also find this behavior annoying. I tried adding this settings file (it didn't exist) and logging out and back in, but Firefox still jumps do the absolute location on the scrollbar. I'm on CentOS 7.3.
On Friday, October 12, 2018 1:24:25 PM CDT Elliott Balsley wrote:
I agree that issue with the scroll bar jumping all over is really annoying! It is actually a feature of Gnome and GTK. It can be changed by editing a file:
~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[Settings] gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0
I also find this behavior annoying. I tried adding this settings file (it didn't exist) and logging out and back in, but Firefox still jumps do the absolute location on the scrollbar. I'm on CentOS 7.3.
Hmmm... It works for me on both CentOS 7 (Firefox 60.2.1) and Fedora 28 (Firefox 62.0.3).
As per the linked documentation - What happens if you SHIFT-CLICK on the scroll bar? On my systems I find that SHIFT-CLICK on the scroll bar produces the "warp speed" behavior, exactly as expected.
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/unstable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gtk-...
Back to the original question - I wonder if the chosen GTK theme has something to do with the disappearance of the up and down arrows on the scroll bar? I found a note on the Ubuntu forums that implicates the theme. Testing required!
Bill Gee
Hmmm... It works for me on both CentOS 7 (Firefox 60.2.1) and Fedora 28 (Firefox 62.0.3).
As per the linked documentation - What happens if you SHIFT-CLICK on the scroll bar? On my systems I find that SHIFT-CLICK on the scroll bar produces the "warp speed" behavior, exactly as expected.
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/unstable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gtk-...
In Firefox 45.4, shift-click reverses the behavior, so it scrolls a page
at a time. It ignores the primary warp setting. I also checked in Terminal, and it respects that setting. With primary warp turned off, it moves a page at a time, regardless of whether I hold shift. With primary warp turned on, it warps regardless of whether I hold shift. I'll try updating Firefox.
On Friday, October 12, 2018 8:41:51 PM CDT Elliott Balsley wrote:
Hmmm... It works for me on both CentOS 7 (Firefox 60.2.1) and Fedora 28 (Firefox 62.0.3).
As per the linked documentation - What happens if you SHIFT-CLICK on the scroll bar? On my systems I find that SHIFT-CLICK on the scroll bar produces the "warp speed" behavior, exactly as expected.
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/unstable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gt k-primary-button-warps-slider
In Firefox 45.4, shift-click reverses the behavior, so it scrolls a page
at a time. It ignores the primary warp setting. I also checked in Terminal, and it respects that setting. With primary warp turned off, it moves a page at a time, regardless of whether I hold shift. With primary warp turned on, it warps regardless of whether I hold shift. I'll try updating Firefox.
I did some more searching and stumbled across a way to make the stepper arrows show up. It is another file:
~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
.scrollbar, scrollbar { -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: true; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: true; }
On my Fedora 28 system this makes up and down arrows which are VERY small. They are there and they work. I bet more fiddling with this file could make them larger.
Bill Gee
And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just right). KDE now has invisible features...
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________________________________________ From: CentOS centos-bounces@centos.org on behalf of Gary Stainburn gary@ringways.co.uk Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:48 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [EXTERNAL] [CentOS] Scroll bar arrows missing and behaviour change
I have done some Googling on this but everything I've found appears to be at least 2 years old and mostly refers to Gnome
TBH, I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned it - maybe it's only happened to me.
At some point over the last few months the behaviour of the scroll bars changed and I'm finding it very annoying.
Firstly, the arrows have vanished.
Secondly, when clicking on the scroll bar background either above or below the drag bar instead of doing a page up or page down which is what it used to do (and what I want it to continue doing) it now moves the scroll bar to that absolute position, i.e. if I click on 75% down the scroll bar it jumps to 75% of the document.
As this is happening in all apps I'm assuming it's something within KDE that had changed.
I'm running an up-to-date Centos 7 x64 running the KDE desktop.
Anyone got suggestions on how I can get back the the old style (windows clone) behaviour and appearance? _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Leroy Tennison wrote:
And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just right). KDE now has invisible features...
Please don't top post.
And I think it is only firefox. I run KDE on C7 - haven't looked on my C 6 at home - and it's only firefox 600.2esr, and there are no arrows, and no, I can't put my cursur anywhere, it got to that part of the page. My LibreOffice, my urxvt windows, and t-bird all have arrows.
And it's annoying - I miss something, and suddenly I'm at the bottom of the page, instead of one window down.
mark
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________________________________________ From: CentOS centos-bounces@centos.org on behalf of mark m.roth@5-cent.us Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 9:01 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] Scroll bar arrows missing and behaviour change
Leroy Tennison wrote:
And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just right). KDE now has invisible features...
Please don't top post.
And I think it is only firefox. I run KDE on C7 - haven't looked on my C 6 at home - and it's only firefox 600.2esr, and there are no arrows, and no, I can't put my cursur anywhere, it got to that part of the page. My LibreOffice, my urxvt windows, and t-bird all have arrows.
And it's annoying - I miss something, and suddenly I'm at the bottom of the page, instead of one window down.
mark
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Outlook bit me again, sorry for the top post. In my case the application is OpenOffice, I'll have to check LibreOffice and tbird.
On 10/12/18 8:40 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote:
And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just right). KDE now has invisible features...
In the past as programmers we were taught more wisdom than today's "coders" have been: One of the rules of thumb was:
Don't make any changes in [debugged] program unless they are absolutely necessary.
On a similar note: who remembers netscape navigator (web browser)? It was pleasantly not changing its appearance and UI (User Interface) for ages. These days Firefox and thunderbird are being rushed with new releases. "Releases" full of security holes (take a look at CentOS update history: firefox security updates are the most often ones). As if they are aiming to beat everybody in version number (currently major version in 50th-60th). But they can not beat Microsoft who has a release: Windows 2000.
</rant> [no beginning of rant tag, as I'm not certain where to put it]
Valeri
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From: CentOS centos-bounces@centos.org on behalf of Gary Stainburn gary@ringways.co.uk Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:48 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [EXTERNAL] [CentOS] Scroll bar arrows missing and behaviour change
I have done some Googling on this but everything I've found appears to be at least 2 years old and mostly refers to Gnome
TBH, I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned it - maybe it's only happened to me.
At some point over the last few months the behaviour of the scroll bars changed and I'm finding it very annoying.
Firstly, the arrows have vanished.
Secondly, when clicking on the scroll bar background either above or below the drag bar instead of doing a page up or page down which is what it used to do (and what I want it to continue doing) it now moves the scroll bar to that absolute position, i.e. if I click on 75% down the scroll bar it jumps to 75% of the document.
As this is happening in all apps I'm assuming it's something within KDE that had changed.
I'm running an up-to-date Centos 7 x64 running the KDE desktop.
Anyone got suggestions on how I can get back the the old style (windows clone) behaviour and appearance? _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On 10/12/18 8:40 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote:
And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just right). KDE now has invisible features...
<Rant tag added here>
In the past as programmers we were taught more wisdom than today's "coders" have been: One of the rules of thumb was:
Don't make any changes in [debugged] program unless they are absolutely necessary.
On a similar note: who remembers netscape navigator (web browser)? It was pleasantly not changing its appearance and UI (User Interface) for ages. These days Firefox and thunderbird are being rushed with new releases. "Releases" full of security holes (take a look at CentOS update history: firefox security updates are the most often ones). As if they are aiming to beat everybody in version number (currently major version in 50th-60th). But they can not beat Microsoft who has a release: Windows 2000.
<mark's rant added into Veleri's> Oh, and they had to jump 40 numbers, to keep up with Google/Chrome, because....
Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because... oh, that's right, they can sell more training. And the new UIs aren't as thought out, or TRIED OUT WITH END USERS as the old one was. and they don't care about some bugs... like t-bird "oh, you *can't* not want your email when you hit <reply all> in the list, saving to your sent folder isn't enough copies....
</rant> [no beginning of rant tag, as I'm not certain where to put it]
Valeri
mark
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________________________________________ From: CentOS centos-bounces@centos.org on behalf of mark m.roth@5-cent.us Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 10:11 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] Scroll bar arrows missing and behaviour change
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On 10/12/18 8:40 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote:
And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just right). KDE now has invisible features...
<Rant tag added here>
In the past as programmers we were taught more wisdom than today's "coders" have been: One of the rules of thumb was:
Don't make any changes in [debugged] program unless they are absolutely necessary.
On a similar note: who remembers netscape navigator (web browser)? It was pleasantly not changing its appearance and UI (User Interface) for ages. These days Firefox and thunderbird are being rushed with new releases. "Releases" full of security holes (take a look at CentOS update history: firefox security updates are the most often ones). As if they are aiming to beat everybody in version number (currently major version in 50th-60th). But they can not beat Microsoft who has a release: Windows 2000.
<mark's rant added into Veleri's> Oh, and they had to jump 40 numbers, to keep up with Google/Chrome, because....
Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because... oh, that's right, they can sell more training. And the new UIs aren't as thought out, or TRIED OUT WITH END USERS as the old one was. and they don't care about some bugs... like t-bird "oh, you *can't* not want your email when you hit <reply all> in the list, saving to your sent folder isn't enough copies....
</rant> [no beginning of rant tag, as I'm not certain where to put it]
Valeri
mark
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Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because... oh, that's right, they can sell more training.
And I thought it was to give the appearance of "new and improved" when very little had really changed. (No rant here, just a statement of fact :-) :-) :-) ... )
Leroy Tennison wrote:
From: CentOS centos-bounces@centos.org on behalf of mark m.roth@5-cent.us Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 10:11 AM Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On 10/12/18 8:40 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote:
And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who aren't familiar) thing! Apparently it's a KDE thing. I haven't experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what you do) but my arrows are missing too. I'm thinking this is a KDE Blasted Ugly Gotcha (BUG). BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just right). KDE now has invisible features...
<Rant tag added here>
In the past as programmers we were taught more wisdom than today's "coders" have been: One of the rules of thumb was:
Don't make any changes in [debugged] program unless they are absolutely necessary.
On a similar note: who remembers netscape navigator (web browser)? It was pleasantly not changing its appearance and UI (User Interface) for ages. These days Firefox and thunderbird are being rushed with new releases. "Releases" full of security holes (take a look at CentOS update history: firefox security updates are the most often ones). As if they are aiming to beat everybody in version number (currently major version in 50th-60th). But they can not beat Microsoft who has a release: Windows 2000.
<mark's rant added into Veleri's> Oh, and they had to jump 40 numbers, to keep up with Google/Chrome, because....
Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because... oh, that's right, they can sell more training. And the new UIs aren't as thought out, or TRIED OUT WITH END USERS as the old one was. and they don't care about some bugs... like t-bird "oh, you *can't* not want your email when you hit <reply all> in the list, saving to your sent folder isn't enough copies....
</rant> [no beginning of rant tag, as I'm not certain where to put it]
Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because... oh, that's right, they can sell more training.
And I thought it was to give the appearance of "new and improved" when very little had really changed. (No rant here, just a statement of fact :-) :-) :-) ... )
Maybe we should creat a neologism for this: not improved, but "deproved", possibly as an abbreviation for "disapproved of", or "deprecated".
mark
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