I am currently into Engineering, and I am working slowly on my Knowledge / Know-How of Linux. I am eager to know about the Job Opportunities for people who have considerably good knowledge in Linux. This thought has popped up in my mind, due to the reason that I was watching out my Local LUG, and somebody quoted like..."There aren't much Job Opportunities for Linux Knowledge compared to the Knowledge based on Microsoft Software. Linux won't fetch you those fat salaries that Microsoft would offer, so unfortunately, you don't get what you deserve, with Linux, as the basic concept lies in Free Stuff."
There are lots of system administration jobs for Linux. I know that at my job as long as the costs are reasonable I'm even allowed side projects (preferably ones that might affect future projects, but also ones that are just part of learning technology). I don't know how the pay honestly compares, but I enjoy my job. The only time I have to do windows stuff is when the windows admin is on vacation.
--Bill
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 18:26 +0000, duffmckagan wrote:
I am currently into Engineering, and I am working slowly on my Knowledge / Know-How of Linux. I am eager to know about the Job Opportunities for people who have considerably good knowledge in Linux. This thought has popped up in my mind, due to the reason that I was watching out my Local LUG, and somebody quoted like..."There aren't much Job Opportunities for Linux Knowledge compared to the Knowledge based on Microsoft Software. Linux won't fetch you those fat salaries that Microsoft would offer, so unfortunately, you don't get what you deserve, with Linux, as the basic concept lies in Free Stuff."
duffmckagan mckagan@gmail.com wrote:
I am currently into Engineering, and I am working slowly on my Knowledge / Know-How of Linux. I am eager to know about the Job Opportunities for people who have considerably good knowledge in Linux. This thought has popped up in my mind, due to the reason that I was watching out my Local LUG, and somebody quoted
like..."There
aren't much Job Opportunities for Linux Knowledge compared to the Knowledge based on Microsoft Software. Linux won't fetch you those fat salaries that Microsoft would offer, so unfortunately, you don't get what you deserve, with Linux, as the basic concept lies in Free Stuff."
I guess they haven't seen the salary surveys as well as number of jobs for qualified Linux people. But many people are ignorant of the fact that UNIX existed before Linux, a UNIX-like system, so they dismiss Linux (because they have already dismissed/ignored UNIX).
UNIX sysadmins have always led Windows sysadmins in compensation in ever single salary study I've seen. In many cases, Linux admins are lower than UNIX admins, but still much higher than Windows admins. I want to say the last one I saw was IDG, but even the IEEE has started to query IT professionals too.
Ironically, in the "TCO game," most companies respond that the ratio of UNIX admins is increasing due to Linux admins. But the number of UNIX/Linux admins per system is still lower (i.e., more systems per UNIX/Linux admin), which ends up being "cheaper." I.e., the total aggregate salary for UNIX/Linux sysadmins for the same number of systems is lower than Windows sysadmins, but because UNIX/Linux sysadmins can administer more systems per employee, the higher pay rate is easily justified.
Personally, regardless of whether I'm coming in as a network architect, sysadmin, Solaris guru, MCSE, etc..., the #1 thing that is on the mind of every single employer is my Linux background because 97% of enterprises are adopting Linux, over 40% in the datacenter. It might not be en masse or to the level of sales of Windows, but in growth of units, that's what drives hires.
Because companies are suddenly finding out they have Linux, but they don't have the resources to support not only what they have -- but what they must adopt in the near future. I haven't seen Linux professionals go unhired because of lack of jobs, only lack of experience.
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 13:26, duffmckagan wrote:
This thought has popped up in my mind, due to the reason that I was watching out my Local LUG, and somebody quoted like..."There aren't much Job Opportunities for Linux Knowledge compared to the Knowledge based on Microsoft Software.
If you translate that into saying that you need more system administrators and helpdesk staff per box running windows than you do for Linux it is probably right.
Linux won't fetch you those fat salaries that Microsoft would offer, so unfortunately, you don't get what you deserve, with Linux, as the basic concept lies in Free Stuff."
I don't think that's true, except that there are fewer places that need a full-time Linux administrator.
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 06:26:23PM +0000, duffmckagan wrote:
I am currently into Engineering, and I am working slowly on my Knowledge / Know-How of Linux. I am eager to know about the Job Opportunities for people who have considerably good knowledge in Linux. This thought has popped up in my mind, due to the reason that I was watching out my Local LUG, and somebody quoted like..."There aren't much Job Opportunities for Linux Knowledge compared to the Knowledge based on Microsoft Software. Linux won't fetch you those fat salaries that Microsoft would offer, so unfortunately, you don't get what you deserve, with Linux, as the basic concept lies in Free Stuff."
Yeah yeah. I've heard that myself.
Currently I own a company that provide Linux consulting, along with some other business lines. I keep getting job offers, and currently have a real hard time find good Linux professionals to work for me.
Actually, from what I've heard, one of the bigest problems companies migrating to Linux are facing is the shortage of (good) Linux professionals.
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Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@suespammers.org wrote:
Yeah yeah. I've heard that myself.
It's the biggest load of BS. When I hear fellow Microsoft professionals spew that crap, I immediately tell them that what feeds the negative views of Microsoft professionals.
Currently I own a company that provide Linux consulting, along with some other business lines. I keep getting job offers, and currently have a real hard time find good Linux professionals to work for me.
Big-time dittos there -- "I ... current have a real hard time find[ing] good Linux professionals to work for me."
That's the problem. You have the normal lack of professionals (in general) used to travel, contracts, professionalism, etc... Then you have the added problem of Linux knowledge. It is so very, very difficult to find the combination.
Actually, from what I've heard, one of the bigest problems companies migrating to Linux are facing is the shortage of (good) Linux professionals.
Exactomundo.
Regardless of what you think of certification in general (I loathe it, and have complained about the "cert whore" industry where you have to do "tricks"), the non-profit Linux Professional Institute (LPI) is trying to do its best to further the concerns of Linux Professionals and employeers alike ... world-wide.
[ E.g., the US is #3 in number of LPI certified individuals. ]
On 8/19/05, Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@suespammers.org wrote:
Yeah yeah. I've heard that myself.
It's the biggest load of BS. When I hear fellow Microsoft professionals spew that crap, I immediately tell them that what feeds the negative views of Microsoft professionals.
Currently I own a company that provide Linux consulting, along with some other business lines. I keep getting job offers, and currently have a real hard time find good Linux professionals to work for me.
Big-time dittos there -- "I ... current have a real hard time find[ing] good Linux professionals to work for me."
That's the problem. You have the normal lack of professionals (in general) used to travel, contracts, professionalism, etc... Then you have the added problem of Linux knowledge. It is so very, very difficult to find the combination.
Actually, from what I've heard, one of the bigest problems companies migrating to Linux are facing is the shortage of (good) Linux professionals.
Exactomundo.
Regardless of what you think of certification in general (I loathe it, and have complained about the "cert whore" industry where you have to do "tricks"), the non-profit Linux Professional Institute (LPI) is trying to do its best to further the concerns of Linux Professionals and employeers alike ... world-wide.
[ E.g., the US is #3 in number of LPI certified individuals. ]
Thanks for replying here.
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--- duffmckagan mckagan@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/19/05, Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@suespammers.org wrote:
Yeah yeah. I've heard that myself.
It's the biggest load of BS. When I hear fellow
Microsoft
professionals spew that crap, I immediately tell
them that
what feeds the negative views of Microsoft
professionals.
Currently I own a company that provide Linux
consulting,
along with some other business lines. I keep
getting job
offers, and currently have a real hard time find
good Linux
professionals to work for me.
Big-time dittos there -- "I ... current have a
real hard time
find[ing] good Linux professionals to work for
me."
That's the problem. You have the normal lack of professionals (in general) used to travel,
contracts,
professionalism, etc... Then you have the added
problem of
Linux knowledge. It is so very, very difficult to
find the
combination.
Actually, from what I've heard, one of the
bigest problems
companies migrating to Linux are facing is the
shortage of
(good) Linux professionals.
Exactomundo.
Regardless of what you think of certification in
general (I
loathe it, and have complained about the "cert
whore"
industry where you have to do "tricks"), the
non-profit Linux
Professional Institute (LPI) is trying to do its
best to
further the concerns of Linux Professionals and
employeers
alike ... world-wide.
[ E.g., the US is #3 in number of LPI certified
individuals.
]
Thanks for replying here.
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Ok now i have another question for all wise people out there. Would it be adviseable/worthwhile for me to get a certification in Red Hat. Maybe as a RHCT would love to get RHCE, but i am thinking realistic. :-)
1. would spending this money help me get a job any faster or a better chance of a job. 2. i know i have the knowledge of linux, or going this approach wont matter in getting a job and i would just be wasting money.
All opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Steven
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows or better'. So I installed Linux."
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 23:23 -0700, Steven Vishoot wrote:
Ok now i have another question for all wise people out there. Would it be adviseable/worthwhile for me to get a certification in Red Hat. Maybe as a RHCT would love to get RHCE, but i am thinking realistic. :-)
- would spending this money help me get a job any
faster or a better chance of a job. 2. i know i have the knowledge of linux, or going this approach wont matter in getting a job and i would just be wasting money. All opinions will be greatly appreciated.
I loathe most of the certification industry. It's either a money making or product-selling scheme in most cases.
With that said, I have to say Red Hat at least does hands-on testing, and it's fairly good. LPI at least is a non-profit and they don't make money on training at all, which is how most other "vendor-neutral" programs do. So both approaches are fairly ethical and good IMHO.
The "job" aspect of certification isn't really a matter of proving your worth to prospective bosses. It's really an issue of the administrative BS of the (at least US) business world now.
If you're looking for a job, the HR departments put your resume in the trash unless you have those little letters they use as a filter. If you can find a job based on personal reference, it helps the "HR filter" game. So if you're good, then you can often by-pass the certification non-sense. In fact, I'd argue you want to work for a company that doesn't hire people on credentials.
But as a consultant, I quickly found that no matter what, I had to have the letters. Apparently an engineering degree and the highest professional recommendations were not enough for procurement/contracts departments at companies (especially larger ones). In that case, I rippled off about 40 exams over two sets of 3 months -- not something I recommend anyone else do for pure cost considerations (over $7,000 in just exam fees -- not including travel in a few cases, any reference books to get the "vendor answer", etc...), let alone the re- certification requirements (which is killing me right now).
So it really matters what kind of job you want. If it's just a permanent job, and you can get passed the HR department (or maybe they are small enough they don't have one), then it doesn't matter. But if you're into contracts and other things, especially with larger firms, I found I couldn't avoid it.
As far as LPI v. Red Hat, I honestly recommend both unless you know a company is going to be a Red Hat shop for sure, then the latter. Of course there is also Novell, but Novell highlights the LPI as a "recommendation", so it can often sell to Novell shops as well.
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