Hello, I was asked a question regarding centos that i do not know the answer. I don't use gnome or x on any box i deploy for production use so haven't checked in to this. CentOS4 comes with gnome 2.8 from what i was told, the question is is it possible to do an update rpmwise to gnome 2.12 via yum? If so, what repositories do i need to enable to pull this off and what if any lookouts should i be aware of? Thanks. Dave.
Dave wrote:
Hello, I was asked a question regarding centos that i do not know the answer. I don't use gnome or x on any box i deploy for production use so haven't checked in to this. CentOS4 comes with gnome 2.8 from what i was told, the question is is it possible to do an update rpmwise to gnome 2.12 via yum? If so, what repositories do i need to enable to pull this off and what if any lookouts should i be aware of? Thanks. Dave.
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you can try this :
http://www.linuxparatodos.net/geeklog/staticpages/index.php?page=lpt-desktop
Leonel
Leonel Nunez wrote:
Dave wrote:
Hello, I was asked a question regarding centos that i do not know the answer. I don't use gnome or x on any box i deploy for production use so haven't checked in to this. CentOS4 comes with gnome 2.8 from what i was told, the question is is it possible to do an update rpmwise to gnome 2.12 via yum? If so, what repositories do i need to enable to pull this off and what if any lookouts should i be aware of? Thanks. Dave.
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you can try this :
http://www.linuxparatodos.net/geeklog/staticpages/index.php?page=lpt-desktop
Leonel
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But I agree with Johnny Hughes about what he said about kde and the same for any other package not included with centos
leonel
On Sat, 2006-05-27 at 00:34 -0400, Dave wrote:
Hello, I was asked a question regarding centos that i do not know the answer. I don't use gnome or x on any box i deploy for production use so haven't checked in to this. CentOS4 comes with gnome 2.8 from what i was told, the question is is it possible to do an update rpmwise to gnome 2.12 via yum? If so, what repositories do i need to enable to pull this off and what if any lookouts should i be aware of? Thanks. Dave.
The real answer to your question is no ...
<OPINION> If you add the lastest KDE via the kde-redhat project to centos-4 .... or if there were a project that offered to upgrade gnome from 2.8 to another version (say 2.12) .... then you are no longer using centos.
You would have a hodgepodge of programs that are not really enterprise stable, nor really designed to work together. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and Rex does a great job w/ the kde-redhat project ... it is just not that stable on top of CentOS ... and it changes things that are very enterprise important, like samba, etc.
Much better instead would be to use a distro that is designed with the newer system (like FC5). It would be much more stable (I would think) than bolting on stuff to CentOS-4 which is not designed to run there. </OPINION>
Hello, Thank you for your reply. Is there an rh clone, other than fc5 that would have the capability, for upgraded gnome? Thanks. Dave.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Hughes" mailing-lists@hughesjr.com To: "CentOS ML" centos@centos.org Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [CentOS] gnome 2.12 via yum?
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Dave wrote:
Hello, Thank you for your reply. Is there an rh clone, other than fc5 that would have the capability, for upgraded gnome? Thanks. Dave.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Hughes" mailing-lists@hughesjr.com To: "CentOS ML" centos@centos.org Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [CentOS] gnome 2.12 via yum?
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well I don't know but you can use garnome o jhbuild to build the latest gnome on CentOS without messing the current gnome that way you get CentOS with the rock solid stability and the new gnome installed on /opt
http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/ http://www.jamesh.id.au/software/jhbuild/
leonel
Dave wrote:
Hello, Thank you for your reply. Is there an rh clone, other than fc5 that would have the capability, for upgraded gnome?
FC5 is not "an rh clone". And no, other RHEL rebuilds face the same "problem". Either you want to go for stability - then use CentOS, RHEL, Scientific Linux or whatever.
Or you need newer Software and are used to RedHat-like software - then use Fedora Core.
The thing about CentOS is *stability* and *reliability*. If that is not what you're after, you really should be using something different.
Not that I want to put you off of CentOS.
Ralph
Hello, Thanks for your reply. I personally use CentOS and like it's stability far more than the changing fedora. I asked the original question because it was asked to me by someone who wants to move away from mandriva but who wants a higher gnome. I appreciate everyone who has responded to this. Thanks. Dave.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Angenendt" ra+centos@br-online.de To: centos@centos.org Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [CentOS] gnome 2.12 via yum?
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Johnny Hughes wrote:
<OPINION> If you add the lastest KDE via the kde-redhat project to centos-4 .... or if there were a project that offered to upgrade gnome from 2.8 to another version (say 2.12) .... then you are no longer using centos.
You would have a hodgepodge of programs that are not really enterprise stable, nor really designed to work together. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and Rex does a great job w/ the kde-redhat project ... it is just not that stable on top of CentOS ...
IMO, it's pretty darn stable. Are you privy to information I'm not? Or... perhaps simply your definition of "just not that stable" is different than mine.
-- Rex
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 22:30 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
<OPINION> If you add the lastest KDE via the kde-redhat project to centos-4 .... or if there were a project that offered to upgrade gnome from 2.8 to another version (say 2.12) .... then you are no longer using centos.
You would have a hodgepodge of programs that are not really enterprise stable, nor really designed to work together. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and Rex does a great job w/ the kde-redhat project ... it is just not that stable on top of CentOS ...
IMO, it's pretty darn stable. Are you privy to information I'm not? Or... perhaps simply your definition of "just not that stable" is different than mine.
---- I've been using it for months with CentOS 4.x and though Quanta+ (kdewebdev) can be a bit touch and go (and I use it extensively), KDE itself has been quite solid (kde-redhat). Once again, I tip my hat to Rex for doing a bang up job.
Then when you consider his up-to-date samba packaging, kde-redhat repo has been a win-win for me. Upstream is really stuck on old versions of samba and openldap.
Obviously upstream is extremely hesitant to version upgrades of packages, especially things like a desktop manager but that doesn't mean you can't take some chances on some systems.
FWIW, I did a clean install of Fedora Core 5 on my main desktop system and all I can say is wow...it's really nice.
Craig
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 22:30 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
<OPINION> If you add the lastest KDE via the kde-redhat project to centos-4 .... or if there were a project that offered to upgrade gnome from 2.8 to another version (say 2.12) .... then you are no longer using centos.
You would have a hodgepodge of programs that are not really enterprise stable, nor really designed to work together. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and Rex does a great job w/ the kde-redhat project ... it is just not that stable on top of CentOS ...
IMO, it's pretty darn stable. Are you privy to information I'm not? Or... perhaps simply your definition of "just not that stable" is different than mine.
Rex,
First I want to say that what you do is great work. I have used your repo and I have had no real problems on a workstation install.
And I am sure my definition of stable is different.
To me, upgrading all the files that are required to be upgraded means that there are several server packages and things I would consider "Enterprise" upgraded ... and not just KDE.
The same would be true for a Gnome upgrade too.
Being a package builder, I understand that all these items are required dependencies ... and they have to be installed. It is just my opinion that after that is done, the resulting workstation is really not CentOS any more.
The sheer number of packages upgraded means that there are introduced many issues that are not normally present.
That is not to say that it is bad ... just not what is tested. I think having a much newer version of qt and samba (just 2 examples) can cause major issues with people who have custom software already developed for to run on their Enterprise machines.
I also don't particularly like the real Red Hat logos getting back on CentOS installs (as long as the upstream guys are OK with it, I guess I am too :)
Again, this is not to minimize your efforts or say that the kde-redhat repo is not good ... quite the opposite is true. Maintaining the latest kde packages so that it can upgrade all the versions of RH based products that you do is very hard ... and the fact that it works as well as it does is amazing. It is a wonderful repo ... it just changes the distro to not be CentOS.
That is not good or bad ... but it is certainly a more complex system to troubleshoot. All I am trying to say is this ... if it were stable enough to deploy as the Enterprise distro ... then it would be in update 4 for RHEL 4. If it is not, then the upstream people think it is not enterprise ready .. right?
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 22:30 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
Not that there is anything wrong with that, and Rex does a great job w/ the kde-redhat project ... it is just not that stable on top of CentOS ...
IMO, it's pretty darn stable. Are you privy to information I'm not? Or... perhaps simply your definition of "just not that stable" is different than mine.
And I am sure my definition of stable is different.
Thanks for the clarification. I was hoping not to hear any juicy details on as-yet-unreported system instability or packaging problems... (:
-- Rex
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