2011/3/23 R P Herrold herrold@owlriver.com
This comes and goes, and really there is no substitute for actually 'doing' rather than talking in the cloister
as i see it, the problem is while the users expectation has grown, the work
became harder. so i believe the real question is: how can we help the CentOS project? how can we unload the developers so that they do more high level and/or creative things with less work?
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, cornel panceac wrote:
2011/3/23 R P Herrold herrold@owlriver.com
This comes and goes, and really there is no substitute for actually 'doing' rather than talking in the cloister
as i see it, the problem is while the users expectation has grown, the work became harder.
ehhh? It has not gotten materially harder to build, if indeed it has gotten harder at all. 4.9 sailed out (thanks, Johnny -- also there was no new ISO set and anaconda to spin); 5.6 has some niggles which are being worked out in QA; and my trial building of the 6 sources, INCLUDING A RE-WRITE of my local autobuilder, took less than a week, for getting the first pass done. I am not happy with the package build scheduler (it is too naiive and not as efficient as I would like it)
That said, I then rebuilt those sources 3 more rounds, to make sure they are self-hosting and stabilized, BEFORE turning to address trademark and branding issues. If a person were inclined to see the process and get a flavor for doing rounds of rebuilding to ensure convergance, rebuild gcc, or glicb from an unpacked tarball, with the minimal shell tools building environment for 'bootstrapping' into a new environment
so i believe the real question is: how can we help the CentOS project? how can we unload the developers so that they do more high level and/or creative things with less work?
I am substantially certain the archive of this list or the -devel list contains suggesting identifying trade-marks that leaked out of 'redhat-logos', and branding changes not affirmatively required by the 'elide other's trademarks' requirement; large numbers of bugs are never touched and confirmed as reproduceable, or still viable; pushing fixes upstream [we had an email inquiry today, wanting to help extend CentOS to add a new national language that will not occur here, but is a perfectly reasonable translation project to push into Fedora so it eventually flows down here ... ]
It is perfectly reasonable to 'toil in the vinyards' of Fedora to cause future CentOS versions to benefit from the effort
-- Russ herrold
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