pctech@mybellybutton.com wrote:
Unfortunately, I have had nothing, thus far, but bad experiences with wikis.
Especially when you begin letting others "mark up" something that you've posted there. At that point, because your name is on it, you "own" all of their mistakes. I'm not saying that the CentOS wiki is like that, just wikis in general.
WikiPedia is probably one of the most horrifically obvious examples of what I
am talking about. Not only do you have all of the blatant inaccuracies, which tend to get attributed back to the original article author, but you also have all of the drama that goes along with it.
Did you miss the 'revision history' link that removes all doubt about who said what?
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Yeah. I saw it. Your snippy comment just shows EXACTLY what I am talking about.
I also know, for a fact, that a large percentage of the people that read a wiki ignore that when something goes wrong and go straight to the source. I've seen it far too many times. I've seen the "Well, your information is wrong. You said this." "No I didn't." "Yes you did. Look at your wiki." "No I didn't. Look at the revision history. Someone else did." "It's your posting, you're responsible, so it's your fault and your information is wrong." You might be surprised how few people even care who said what. They hold the original author responsible.
No thanks. I don't need that drama. This started out as a project solely for my own use. Nothing more and nothing less. It morphed to what it is today because I didn't see anything like it out on the 'Net at the time. At the end of the day, it has my name on it, so it's my heartburn if someone marks it up and it's wrong.
If people don't want it because of my chosen distribution method, that's fine by me. I'll just keep my documents to myself and then they don't have to worry about it.
On 6/6/07, pctech@mybellybutton.com pctech@mybellybutton.com wrote:
If people don't want it because of my chosen distribution method, that's fine by me. I'll just keep my documents to myself and then they don't have to worry about it.
Then do so, and keep it off this list. This started an argument last year, and it seems to be starting one now.
If people don't want it because of my chosen distribution method, that's fine by me. I'll just keep my documents to myself and then they don't have to worry about it.
Then do so, and keep it off this list. This started an argument last year, and it seems to be starting one now.
I'm sorry, but I agree completely with Jim's words. It's _your_ document and it's _your_ decision and it's _your_ right... ok
Maybe you should read about the word _our_. The free software community is based on it.
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 22:59 +0200, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
If people don't want it because of my chosen distribution method, that's fine by me. I'll just keep my documents to myself and then they don't have to worry about it.
Then do so, and keep it off this list. This started an argument last year, and it seems to be starting one now.
I'm sorry, but I agree completely with Jim's words. It's _your_ document and it's _your_ decision and it's _your_ right... ok
Maybe you should read about the word _our_. The free software community is based on it.
An maybe you should read the definition of Free Software Community. There are TWO Free Software Communities. Free as in beer and Free as in speech.
Free as in beer, I give my document away for free. So it costs nothing. Free as in speech, if someone asks me for the source Word document that I have, I would gladly give that to them as well.
Your argument fails on both counts.
Hi,
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 15:21 -0400, pctech@mybellybutton.com wrote:
I also know, for a fact, that a large percentage of the people that read a wiki ignore that when something goes wrong and go straight to the source. I've seen it far too many times.
Than you will be happy to hear that not everyone can just change pages on the CentOS Wiki. Write access is restricted.
Besides that I'd like to add (as last year) that the mode of operation of the open source community is to share. If the CentOS developers provided CentOS with an e-mail invite only, there would be a small chance that you'd have it.
Of course, it's your document.
-- Daniel
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 22:08 +0200, Daniel de Kok wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 15:21 -0400, pctech@mybellybutton.com wrote:
I also know, for a fact, that a large percentage of the people that read a wiki ignore that when something goes wrong and go straight to the source. I've seen it far too many times.
Than you will be happy to hear that not everyone can just change pages on the CentOS Wiki. Write access is restricted.
Besides that I'd like to add (as last year) that the mode of operation of the open source community is to share. If the CentOS developers provided CentOS with an e-mail invite only, there would be a small chance that you'd have it.
How am I not sharing my document? Am I charging for it? Am I saying that only certain people can e-mail me for it? It's not "e-mail invite only" It's "I don't have the money to host the bandwidth it would require to post it on the Internet." Show me where I have said that nobody could host my document if they chose to. *I* choose not to wiki it because I have been burned by using wiki as a "distribution method" in the past. Burned to the point that I had to deal with lawyers. Quite frankly, that's an additional expense that I don't want, or need.
There's a large difference between the CentOS project itself and my document.
Of course, it's your document.
-- Daniel
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On 6/6/07, Frank Tanner III pctech@mybellybutton.com wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 22:08 +0200, Daniel de Kok wrote:
Than you will be happy to hear that not everyone can just change pages on the CentOS Wiki. Write access is restricted.
*I* choose not to wiki it because I have been burned by using wiki as a "distribution method" in the past.
Frank Tanner III (pctech@mybellybutton.com)
I just wanted to make one comment here so that people who are reading this thread are not misguided. As Daniel de Kok noted above, on the CentOS wiki, write access is restricted. Only the author of the page is allowed to edit. That is, you cannot write to the page I maintain. The only exception to this is that some members of the CentOS team have across-the-board write access. You can find who have edit rights to which page:
http://wiki.centos.org/EditGroup
Personally, I am very comfortable with this setup and I have absolute trust on the CentOS team regarding keeping my pages intact.
Hope this helps,
Akemi
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 18:36 -0700, Akemi Yagi wrote:
On 6/6/07, Frank Tanner III pctech@mybellybutton.com wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 22:08 +0200, Daniel de Kok wrote:
Than you will be happy to hear that not everyone can just change pages on the CentOS Wiki. Write access is restricted.
*I* choose not to wiki it because I have been burned by using wiki as a "distribution method" in the past.
Frank Tanner III (pctech@mybellybutton.com)
I just wanted to make one comment here so that people who are reading this thread are not misguided. As Daniel de Kok noted above, on the CentOS wiki, write access is restricted. Only the author of the page is allowed to edit. That is, you cannot write to the page I maintain. The only exception to this is that some members of the CentOS team have across-the-board write access. You can find who have edit rights to which page:
Which is why I specifically stated that my comments were not with regards to the CentOS wiki. Because I do not have any knowledge of the way that the CentOS wiki is run.
http://wiki.centos.org/EditGroup
Personally, I am very comfortable with this setup and I have absolute trust on the CentOS team regarding keeping my pages intact.
My next comment is not about the CentOS wiki admins at all, again, I don't know them, but I have had friends shut out of wiki articles that they've started on Wikipedia because of what happens there. Specifically car related posts by the owner of the largest Nissan owner's forum in the United States with regards to Nissans.
Again, I am not saying that the CentOS guys would ever do this, but at the end of the day an article author is at the whim of whoever is running the wiki.
My experience with wiki was a little different. I posted a wiki article about some car modifications. Someone else "added" to the article. Someone damaged their car due to this "addition". When the manufacture wouldn't honor the warranty on their car because of this "addition" *I* got a call from the person's lawyer demanding that I pay for the repair to their car since the manufacturer wouldn't cover it due to unauthorized modifications not covered under the Magnuss-Moss Act. It took me contacting a lawyer of my own and then playing "dueling lawyers" to convince them that *I* wasn't the one that suggested that particular modification. THAT is why I choose not to release my document via wiki.
If someone else that I have sent my document to would like to post it on their own web site or if they would like to pay someone to host it, I have no problem; this includes the CentOS team. *I*, however, don't have to spare cash to pay for the bandwidth.
Hope this helps,
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