Perhaps with the release of the CentOS 4.7 Server CD the frontpage at www.centos.org could be updated to reflect this new development rather than 4.4?
Here is the announcement for those who missed it http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2008-October/015328.html
Spike.
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Spike Turner wrote:
Perhaps with the release of the CentOS 4.7 Server CD the frontpage at www.centos.org could be updated to reflect this new development rather than 4.4?
In cases like this - could you open a bug at http://bugs.centos.org/?
I'll take this further, though, thanks.
Cheers,
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Spike Turner wrote:
Perhaps with the release of the CentOS 4.7 Server CD the frontpage at www.centos.org could be updated to reflect this new development rather than 4.4?
In cases like this - could you open a bug at http://bugs.centos.org/?
I'll take this further, though, thanks.
This is one of the things I don't understand at the totalitarian republic of CentOS. I believe an announcement was made also to distrowatch and when people come looking they find out of date information.
Bugs/bugzilla should be for reporting bugs at least that is the way it is elsewhere.
Spike.
Spike Turner wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Spike Turner wrote:
Perhaps with the release of the CentOS 4.7 Server CD the frontpage at www.centos.org could be updated to reflect this new development rather than 4.4?
In cases like this - could you open a bug at http://bugs.centos.org/?
I'll take this further, though, thanks.
This is one of the things I don't understand at the totalitarian republic of CentOS. I believe an announcement was made also to distrowatch and when people come looking they find out of date information.
Let us call it an oversight?
Bugs/bugzilla should be for reporting bugs at least that is the way it is elsewhere.
And presenting out of date information is not a bug in your opinion?
Ralph
on 10-23-2008 3:34 AM Spike Turner spake the following:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Spike Turner wrote:
Perhaps with the release of the CentOS 4.7 Server CD the frontpage at www.centos.org could be updated to reflect this new development rather than 4.4?
In cases like this - could you open a bug at http://bugs.centos.org/?
I'll take this further, though, thanks.
This is one of the things I don't understand at the totalitarian republic of CentOS. I believe an announcement was made also to distrowatch and when people come looking they find out of date information.
Bugs/bugzilla should be for reporting bugs at least that is the way it is elsewhere.
Spike.
I think the problem is that the volunteer that created the CD and announced it isn't the same volunteer that updates the website.
Volunteers usually have varying amounts of free time.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
I think the problem is that the volunteer that created the CD and announced it isn't the same volunteer that updates the website.
Volunteers usually have varying amounts of free time.
This is obviously a bug that should be fixed....
;^)
mhr
MHR wrote:
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
I think the problem is that the volunteer that created the CD and announced it isn't the same volunteer that updates the website.
Volunteers usually have varying amounts of free time.
This is obviously a bug that should be fixed....
;^)
mhr
I think all Server CD downloads and links should be permanently removed from the website to avoid these issues in the future. Perhaps all of the other volunteered 'free' stuff as well. This issue has created a nasty tone on this list and we don't want any nasty tones on this list. In order to better align all members of this list, please remove all packages from the repository which might be used for a graphical interface and revert back to the old package selection tool from RH 5.2. This way we will all be on pure server installs and not further be divided. To this end, we will no longer need the Server CD as one will be able to totally control an install at which point we should all be united and happy again. :p
Whew!!! Everyone's systems must really be running nicely these days!
What happened to the good old threads... like on what particular date will you release Centos 7.3? John Hinton
on 10-23-2008 11:57 AM John Hinton spake the following:
MHR wrote:
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
I think the problem is that the volunteer that created the CD and announced it isn't the same volunteer that updates the website.
Volunteers usually have varying amounts of free time.
This is obviously a bug that should be fixed....
;^)
mhr
I think all Server CD downloads and links should be permanently removed from the website to avoid these issues in the future. Perhaps all of the other volunteered 'free' stuff as well. This issue has created a nasty tone on this list and we don't want any nasty tones on this list. In order to better align all members of this list, please remove all packages from the repository which might be used for a graphical interface and revert back to the old package selection tool from RH 5.2. This way we will all be on pure server installs and not further be divided. To this end, we will no longer need the Server CD as one will be able to totally control an install at which point we should all be united and happy again. :p
Whew!!! Everyone's systems must really be running nicely these days!
What happened to the good old threads... like on what particular date will you release Centos 7.3? John Hinton
I wasn't bashing, I just assumed that different people in the CentOS chain had much different schedules as to what gets done when.
I don't expect up to the minute changes here, because ... frankly... You get what you pay for. And since most users of CentOS aren't paying, the developers have to keep day jobs for those luxuries like food and heat, a roof over their heads, etc...
Scott Silva wrote:
I don't expect up to the minute changes here, because ... frankly... You get what you pay for. And since most users of CentOS aren't paying, the developers have to keep day jobs for those luxuries like food and heat, a roof over their heads, etc...
Interesting. Yet volunteer-run projects like Debian run without the same hiccups? How so may I ask?
Spike.
on 10-23-2008 1:12 PM Spike Turner spake the following:
Scott Silva wrote:
I don't expect up to the minute changes here, because ... frankly... You get what you pay for. And since most users of CentOS aren't paying, the developers have to keep day jobs for those luxuries like food and heat, a roof over their heads, etc...
Interesting. Yet volunteer-run projects like Debian run without the same hiccups? How so may I ask?
Spike.
Probably a lot more Debian volunteers. http://www.debian.org/devel/people = Hundreds of people
The CentOS team lists 12 ( No direct link)
Scott Silva wrote:
I think the problem is that the volunteer that created the CD and announced it isn't the same volunteer that updates the website.
Volunteers usually have varying amounts of free time.
I would have thought that updating the website, wikis etc should be delegated to several individuals in case one person is too busy. Isn't open source and community participation more than an individual?
The success of the Fedora Project is not about the muscle of Red Hat Inc but the participation of many volunteers and the community at large. That is why for the example the Fedora Forum or Fedora website are relevant because of continued updates. (Even If Toracat from the CentOS forum disagrees).
Spike.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Spike Turner spiketurner09@yahoo.com wrote:
The success of the Fedora Project is not about the muscle of Red Hat Inc but the participation of many volunteers and the community at large. That is why for the example the Fedora Forum or Fedora website are relevant because of continued updates. (Even If Toracat from the CentOS forum disagrees).
Spike.
Eh? If you are saying that the Fedora forum is a success and the CentOS forums are a failure, then I would certainly disagree.
I would like to point out that, although I am helping the CentOS project as one of the forum moderators, I have been participating in several CentOS mailing lists as well. I know how both venues work and address different audience. And I can say both are serving their purposes very well in the CentOS community, often complimenting each other.
Akemi
Akemi Yagi wrote:
Eh? If you are saying that the Fedora forum is a success and the CentOS forums are a failure, then I would certainly disagree.
I would like to point out that, although I am helping the CentOS project as one of the forum moderators, I have been participating in several CentOS mailing lists as well. I know how both venues work and address different audience. And I can say both are serving their purposes very well in the CentOS community, often complimenting each other.
I'm not saying "failure" - but community participation. For example the fedora forum contains relevant news and http://fedoraproject.org/ is a goldmine compared to the centos website. There is even a fedora weekly news.
I was reading the comments on Slashdot of the Wikipedia guy who migrated his servers from Red Hat 9/Fedora to CentOS and he asked who "uses CentOS as a desktop"?. Why didn't he ask the same of Fedora or Ubuntu?
Spike.
Spike Turner wrote:
I was reading the comments on Slashdot of the Wikipedia guy who migrated his servers from Red Hat 9/Fedora to CentOS and he asked who "uses CentOS as a desktop"?. Why didn't he ask the same of Fedora or Ubuntu?
I don't know, do you?
I am trying to understand what you are trying to troll for here - if you think that there's a lack of community participation, then just say so. Fedora Weekly news was put into life by someone loosely attached to the Fedora Project - a community member, so to say. If you are missing something like that, you are free to enhance the work you do in the community.
If you just came here to complain about how other people don't help in the community and that that lowers your CentOS experience - well, tough luck.
Ralph
Scott Silva wrote:
I think the problem is that the volunteer that created the CD and announced it isn't the same volunteer that updates the website.
Volunteers usually have varying amounts of free time.
Well, it is an "official" CentOS product. As said - oversight (and not fixed yet).
Cheers,
Ralph
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Spike Turner wrote:
totalitarian republic of CentOS. I believe an announcement
All sources used by CentOS are freely available under a distributable license, as are those for patched RPMs consistent with its GPL obligation when _distributing_ the product of another; the CentOS art and security keying are about all that you'll need to change when you found your new republic, Plato. I think perhaps a closer read of your book would reveal discussion of a meritocracy, governed by philosopher kings.
Also, Spike Turner wrote:
CentOS is basically RHEL without the trademarks so it is compatible.
Spike.
..... btw, congrats on deftly avoiding Godwin.
Please note that CentOS' art represents a trademarked item; you appear to have missed the fact that a more correct say to have stated that may be:
CentOS strives to be binary compatible with its upstream, with that upstream's trademarked content elided.
Good luck with your vision of a non-"totalitarian" future. Please post the URL of the new project's website, and don't forget to^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h write. Negativism, trolling behviours, and leaching without conferring value earn places in my personal 'killfile'
-- Russ herrold
R P Herrold wrote:
yada, yada, grumble, mumble
You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph could have stopped wasting time and simply edited the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.
Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more appropriate?
Spike.
Spike Turner wrote on Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:23:25 -0700 (PDT):
You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph could have stopped wasting time and simply edited the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.
Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more appropriate?
You are getting on my nerves. You found a bug, a missing update of the homepage, you reported it here, you were thanked. Then you started some kind of private war that nobody here understands or is interested to follow. If you want to abuse a mailing list, please open your own, but shut up *here*!
Kai
Spike Turner wrote:
R P Herrold wrote:
yada, yada, grumble, mumble
You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph could have stopped wasting time and simply edited the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.
Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more appropriate?
Spike.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
If you don't like the way things are run then move onwards. You have reported and it was acknowledged. Instead of starting fire and throwing gasoline on it how about offering to help? That may not be an option right now though with all the ill-will you have fostered. These guys work hard an making centos binary compatible with RHEL and a link on the website is understandably low priority.
Spike Turner wrote:
R P Herrold wrote:
yada, yada, grumble, mumble
You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph could have stopped wasting time and simply edited the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.
Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more appropriate?
Spike.
It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.
I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there are only so many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat and pay for my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free project so you can have a free operating system that you do not appreciate. So that you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for free to suit your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying F$$$ what you think. I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit. Nope, nada, don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA
The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and provide links, it would be quite nice if we had a sugar daddy like feodra ... it would also be nice if we had 1500 people who would do the web page updates, but you know what ... that is not what we have. We are not Debian or Fedora with thousands of developers or dollars. We are a group of 10-20 active developers who care about the code, the ISOs and the trees that we distribute. The main website is not our major concern, though we would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.
If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another distro that has more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old antics.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
Spike Turner wrote:
R P Herrold wrote:
yada, yada, grumble, mumble
You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph could have stopped wasting time and simply edited the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.
Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more appropriate?
Spike.
It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.
I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there are only so many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat and pay for my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free project so you can have a free operating system that you do not appreciate. So that you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for free to suit your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying F$$$ what you think. I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit. Nope, nada, don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA
The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and provide links, it would be quite nice if we had a sugar daddy like feodra ... it would also be nice if we had 1500 people who would do the web page updates, but you know what ... that is not what we have. We are not Debian or Fedora with thousands of developers or dollars. We are a group of 10-20 active developers who care about the code, the ISOs and the trees that we distribute. The main website is not our major concern, though we would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.
If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another distro that has more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old antics.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
I believe Johnny's words were very well chosen, accurate, excellent and to the point. He and the other CentOS Developers should know how much 99% of the CentOS user base appreciate their hard work, time and dedication to this project. Very rare for us to see Johnny respond like this and he was correct to do this. I don't think I have ever seen him write something like that before. How easy it is to be critical and call people "Communists", on a public, technical mailing list.
Lanny Marcus wrote:
I believe Johnny's words were very well chosen, accurate, excellent and to the point. He and the other CentOS Developers should know how much 99% of the CentOS user base appreciate their hard work, time and dedication to this project. Very rare for us to see Johnny respond like this and he was correct to do this. I don't think I have ever seen him write something like that before. How easy it is to be critical and call people "Communists", on a public, technical mailing list.
I believe it was a rhetorical question if the C is for the non-existent "Community participation" or if the C is for "Communism". Nowhere were people called "Communists".
Spike.
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Spike Turner wrote:
I believe it was a rhetorical question if the C is for the non-existent "Community participation" or if the C is for "Communism". Nowhere were people called "Communists".
naw, performance artists can pretend to not understand their own work to heighten the effect -- your Causitive Content was a Carefully Crafted trollbait, as I complimented you on tradecraft in dodging godwin at the time and you did not demure.
- Russ herrold
Johnny Hughes wrote:
It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.
I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there are only so many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat and pay for my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free project so you can have a free operating system that you do not appreciate. So that you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for free to suit your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying F$$$ what you think. I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit. Nope, nada, don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA
The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and provide links,
The main website is not our major concern, though we would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.
If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another distro that has more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old antics.
Calm down Johnny, don't lose it. Some constructive criticism should be welcomed. I thought the withholding of kernel updates for two weeks and the non-update of the CentOS webpage were a deliberate action by the same individual(s) but I may have been wrong.
I would not like CentOS to go the same way as Whitebox and 10-20 devs "should" in a community share the roles rather than leaving it all to one person.
Spike.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:26:12AM -0700, Spike Turner wrote: ...
welcome to my kill file
Guys, this is getting really silly now. People are starting flame wars because a small team of contributors, who spend their free time they could be enjoying themselves doing more fun things, didn't update their website with a releas?. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this ML is for CentOS users to assist each other, not to post death threats and vague accusations. Keep on topic and less of the flaming. Some people actually want to get useful info about CentOS or voice their opinion in a reasonable way.
Just my $0.02.
- Mike
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Tru Huynh tru@centos.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:26:12AM -0700, Spike Turner wrote:
welcome to my kill file
Mine too.
Spike Turner wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.
I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there are only so many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat and pay for my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free project so you can have a free operating system that you do not appreciate. So that you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for free to suit your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying F$$$ what you think. I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit. Nope, nada, don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA
The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and provide links,
The main website is not our major concern, though we would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.
If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another distro that has more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old antics.
Calm down Johnny, don't lose it. Some constructive criticism should be welcomed. I thought the withholding of kernel updates for two weeks and the non-update of the CentOS webpage were a deliberate action by the same individual(s) but I may have been wrong.
I would not like CentOS to go the same way as Whitebox and 10-20 devs "should" in a community share the roles rather than leaving it all to one person.
Spike.
Whew!!!! Thanks Johnny... that was way past due.
Spike?
'S'uperfluous 'P'ain 'I'n 'K'eester 'E'veryday
When the word 'constructive' is used in front of 'criticism', it is meant as "promoting improvement or development", not the construction of a volcano. Either that or you've been confusing the many political ad tactics with 'promotion'?
John Hinton
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Spike Turner spiketurner09@yahoo.com wrote:
Calm down Johnny, don't lose it. Some constructive criticism should be welcomed. I thought the withholding of kernel updates for two weeks and the non-update of the CentOS webpage were a deliberate action by the same individual(s) but I may have been wrong.
I would not like CentOS to go the same way as Whitebox and 10-20 devs "should" in a community share the roles rather than leaving it all to one person.
Much as I hate to perpetuate this thread, since it has turned from unkind to flames, this is what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you.
It's so easy to criticize the work of others when you demonstrate a lack of understanding or sympathy for those involved.
Spike, we've all seen your other contributions. Some of them are extremely helpful. This kind are not. Stick to the former, please.
TIA.
mhr
MHR wrote:
As some will attest, the cost of said contributions may have now exceeded their value.
Spike Turner spiketurner09@yahoo.com wrote:
Is the "C" in CentOS supposed to be "Community" or "Communist"? Maybe "T" from "Totalitarian" would be more appropriate?
Calm down Johnny, don't lose it. Some constructive criticism should be welcomed.
Your comments were not constructive criticism. You're just a whiny little punk who can dish it out but gets upset when it's flung back in your direction.
Grow up.
Do you know what the word "community" means? It means that if you see something broken or out of date -- like the web page -- YOU offer to fix it for the clearly overworked volunteers.
That's the spirit of Linux and the spirit of community. Deal with it or GTFO.
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