Will (does) Centos 6 require 512Mb of memory for the GUI install like FC14 or the lower requirement of FC13?
My ASUS EE 700 has ~490Mb of memory (vidoe steals some from the 512Mb base) and FC14 switches to text install and does not install any GUI, leaving the boot in test mode.
I recall a message earlier that 6 is based off of 14, but not the final Anaconda, thus my question.
It would be NICE if the install can work with at least 384Mb of memory, as this is the recommended minimum for FC14 so I would think it is the miniumum for RHEL/Centos 6.
I am seeing FC leave more older hardware behind and with its short cycles and 'currentness' of apps for RHEL 6, I am looking at moving some of my desktops back from FC to Centos. FC13 may be the last FC for some of them...
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Will (does) Centos 6 require 512Mb of memory for the GUI install like FC14 or the lower requirement of FC13?
My ASUS EE 700 has ~490Mb of memory (vidoe steals some from the 512Mb base) and FC14 switches to text install and does not install any GUI, leaving the boot in test mode.
<snip> I will *not* make comments about how an install isn't running a game engine, and so *ought* to be able to run in an order of magnitude less memory, except for bloated, objectionably oriented programming....
mark "what, is it in java?"
At Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:22:45 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Will (does) Centos 6 require 512Mb of memory for the GUI install like FC14 or the lower requirement of FC13?
My ASUS EE 700 has ~490Mb of memory (vidoe steals some from the 512Mb base) and FC14 switches to text install and does not install any GUI, leaving the boot in test mode.
<snip> I will *not* make comments about how an install isn't running a game engine, and so *ought* to be able to run in an order of magnitude less memory, except for bloated, objectionably oriented programming....
X11 installer == game engine? I never use the GUI installer. It is quicker and easier to use the text/console based installer.
mark "what, is it in java?"
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Robert Heller wrote:
At Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:22:45 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Will (does) Centos 6 require 512Mb of memory for the GUI install like FC14 or the lower requirement of FC13?
My ASUS EE 700 has ~490Mb of memory (vidoe steals some from the 512Mb base) and FC14 switches to text install and does not install any GUI, leaving the boot in test mode.
<snip> I will *not* make comments about how an install isn't running a game engine, and so *ought* to be able to run in an order of magnitude less memory, except for bloated, objectionably oriented programming....
X11 installer == game engine? I never use the GUI installer. It is quicker and easier to use the text/console based installer.
Same here. I can't see how Enhanced Pictures and colors make your "installation experience" so much better....
mark "an experience is when I pick you up by your lapels and slam you against the wall for calling browsing an 'experience'"
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:57:30AM -0500, Robert Heller wrote:
At Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:22:45 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
X11 installer == game engine? I never use the GUI installer. It is quicker and easier to use the text/console based installer.
Errm, it was. In one more brilliant following of Fedora (watch us look like Windows), the text installer for 6 has been "streamlined and simplified" Whoever thought up that wording probably thought up Windows Genuine Advantage.
Lemme know how it goes trying to use it on an unpartitioned drive if you decide you don't want defaults. (The snideness isn't aimed at you--just as Mark mentioned, more like Windows all the time. All systems add bloat, the trouble is that RH seems to be deprecating more and more CLI configs.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Scott Robbins wrote:
Errm, it was. In one more brilliant following of Fedora (watch us look like Windows), the text installer for 6 has been "streamlined and simplified" Whoever thought up that wording probably thought up Windows Genuine Advantage.
Lemme know how it goes trying to use it on an unpartitioned drive if you decide you don't want defaults. (The snideness isn't aimed at you--just as Mark mentioned, more like Windows all the time. All systems add bloat, the trouble is that RH seems to be deprecating more and more CLI configs.
I'm sure kickstart still works fine. You new kids who expect an actual interface... ;)
jh
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 05:25:00PM +0000, John Hodrien wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Scott Robbins wrote:
Errm, it was. In one more brilliant following of Fedora (watch us look like Windows), the text installer for 6 has been "streamlined and simplified" Whoever thought up that wording probably thought up Windows Genuine Advantage.
Lemme know how it goes trying to use it on an unpartitioned drive if you
I'm sure kickstart still works fine. You new kids who expect an actual interface... ;)
Yes, kickstart does still work.
On 11/16/2010 12:28 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 11/16/2010 05:22 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
Errm, it was. In one more brilliant following of Fedora (watch us look like Windows), the text installer for 6 has been "streamlined and simplified"
well, you can always use the vnc console - and kickstart lets you do most things.
Yes, I was thinking about vnc console.
back on Centos 5.2, I built a boot CD for it, and had to hard code the IP addr for my notebook for it. Then, perhaps once on FC12, it was a boot option and actually easy to use. So I will have to look it up and to some testing....
On 11/16/2010 08:26 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Yes, I was thinking about vnc console.
back on Centos 5.2, I built a boot CD for it, and had to hard code the IP addr for my notebook for it. Then, perhaps once on FC12, it was a boot option and actually easy to use. So I will have to look it up and to some testing....
are you sure ? I've been using hardcoded vnc options to boot /run from since the CentOS-3 days. ( http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2005/06/15/upgrading_to_centos4_over_a_r... has been around for a while too )
- KB
On 11/17/2010 05:29 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 11/16/2010 08:26 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Yes, I was thinking about vnc console.
back on Centos 5.2, I built a boot CD for it, and had to hard code the IP addr for my notebook for it. Then, perhaps once on FC12, it was a boot option and actually easy to use. So I will have to look it up and to some testing....
are you sure ? I've been using hardcoded vnc options to boot /run from since the CentOS-3 days. ( http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2005/06/15/upgrading_to_centos4_over_a_r... has been around for a while too )
hmm..
I looked back at what I did. It was around sep '08 and I built CD #1 for Centos 5.2 and Fedora 10 using the examples given at:
On 11/16/2010 12:22 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:57:30AM -0500, Robert Heller wrote:
At Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:22:45 -0500 CentOS mailing listcentos@centos.org wrote:
X11 installer == game engine? I never use the GUI installer. It is quicker and easier to use the text/console based installer.
Errm, it was. In one more brilliant following of Fedora (watch us look like Windows), the text installer for 6 has been "streamlined and simplified" Whoever thought up that wording probably thought up Windows Genuine Advantage.
Lemme know how it goes trying to use it on an unpartitioned drive if you decide you don't want defaults. (The snideness isn't aimed at you--just as Mark mentioned, more like Windows all the time. All systems add bloat, the trouble is that RH seems to be deprecating more and more CLI configs.
There never seemed to be a Disk Druid text support for LVM. If you do not like the defaults (and I rarely do), you either have to be good with kickstart (I am not) or use the Gui to set up the partitions as you want.
For some test systems, when all I want to do is throw up a FC/Centos system, I will just accept the defaults and then I have gotten by with the text installer.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
There never seemed to be a Disk Druid text support for LVM. If you do not like the defaults (and I rarely do), you either have to be good with kickstart (I am not) or use the Gui to set up the partitions as you want.
For some test systems, when all I want to do is throw up a FC/Centos system, I will just accept the defaults and then I have gotten by with the text installer.
I guess you've always got Alt-F2/rescue mode to do the partitioning you need otherwise?
jh
On 11/16/2010 12:36 PM, John Hodrien wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
There never seemed to be a Disk Druid text support for LVM. If you do not like the defaults (and I rarely do), you either have to be good with kickstart (I am not) or use the Gui to set up the partitions as you want.
For some test systems, when all I want to do is throw up a FC/Centos system, I will just accept the defaults and then I have gotten by with the text installer.
I guess you've always got Alt-F2/rescue mode to do the partitioning you need otherwise?
Never knew about this, perhaps I will delve into it.
At Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:28:30 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On 11/16/2010 12:36 PM, John Hodrien wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
There never seemed to be a Disk Druid text support for LVM. If you do not like the defaults (and I rarely do), you either have to be good with kickstart (I am not) or use the Gui to set up the partitions as you want.
For some test systems, when all I want to do is throw up a FC/Centos system, I will just accept the defaults and then I have gotten by with the text installer.
I guess you've always got Alt-F2/rescue mode to do the partitioning you need otherwise?
Never knew about this, perhaps I will delve into it.
The text installer fires off several virtual consoles. Console 1 (Ctrl-Alt-F1) is the usually dialog-based installer. Console 2 is a shell. And Colsole 3, 4, & 5 are bound to various stderr/stdout of different processes (you can watch various debug/verbose output of various aspects of the install process -- usefull if something goes wrong).
At Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:32:55 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On 11/16/2010 12:22 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:57:30AM -0500, Robert Heller wrote:
At Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:22:45 -0500 CentOS mailing listcentos@centos.org wrote:
X11 installer == game engine? I never use the GUI installer. It is quicker and easier to use the text/console based installer.
Errm, it was. In one more brilliant following of Fedora (watch us look like Windows), the text installer for 6 has been "streamlined and simplified" Whoever thought up that wording probably thought up Windows Genuine Advantage.
Lemme know how it goes trying to use it on an unpartitioned drive if you decide you don't want defaults. (The snideness isn't aimed at you--just as Mark mentioned, more like Windows all the time. All systems add bloat, the trouble is that RH seems to be deprecating more and more CLI configs.
There never seemed to be a Disk Druid text support for LVM. If you do not like the defaults (and I rarely do), you either have to be good with kickstart (I am not) or use the Gui to set up the partitions as you want.
Or switch to a shell during the text installer and use the available CLI tools directly (eg fdisk/parted and lvm). This is what *I* have done.
For some test systems, when all I want to do is throw up a FC/Centos system, I will just accept the defaults and then I have gotten by with the text installer.
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On 11/16/2010 09:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
There never seemed to be a Disk Druid text support for LVM. If you do not like the defaults (and I rarely do), you either have to be good with kickstart (I am not) or use the Gui to set up the partitions as you want.
system-config-kickstart does appear to lack suport for LVM, but it does pretty much everything else.
The LVM directives are pretty straightforward, and there's a clear example in the documentation: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart#logvol
You can use system-config-kickstart to set everything up the way you want it (including the partitions themselves), and then modify the ks.cfg it generates to add the LVM configuration that you need.
You can also set up one system the way you want it, and look at /root/anaconda-ks.cfg afterward. It'll have information you can use to set up an identical system, including the LVM directives. They'll be commented out, but they'll be usable if you remove the hash in the first line character.
At Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:22:06 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:57:30AM -0500, Robert Heller wrote:
At Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:22:45 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
X11 installer == game engine? I never use the GUI installer. It is quicker and easier to use the text/console based installer.
Errm, it was. In one more brilliant following of Fedora (watch us look like Windows), the text installer for 6 has been "streamlined and simplified" Whoever thought up that wording probably thought up Windows Genuine Advantage.
Lemme know how it goes trying to use it on an unpartitioned drive if you decide you don't want defaults.
Ctrl-Alt-F2 at the apropriate point. Then fun with:
fdisk or parted, then fun with lvm, etc.
Ctrl-Alt-F1 and continue....
(The snideness isn't aimed at you--just as Mark mentioned, more like Windows all the time. All systems add bloat, the trouble is that RH seems to be deprecating more and more CLI configs.
On 11/16/2010 10:22 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Will (does) Centos 6 require 512Mb of memory for the GUI install like FC14 or the lower requirement of FC13?
My ASUS EE 700 has ~490Mb of memory (vidoe steals some from the 512Mb base) and FC14 switches to text install and does not install any GUI, leaving the boot in test mode.
<snip> I will *not* make comments about how an install isn't running a game engine, and so *ought* to be able to run in an order of magnitude less memory, except for bloated, objectionably oriented programming....
mark "what, is it in java?"
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On 11/16/2010 10:22 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Will (does) Centos 6 require 512Mb of memory for the GUI install like FC14 or the lower requirement of FC13?
My ASUS EE 700 has ~490Mb of memory (vidoe steals some from the 512Mb base) and FC14 switches to text install and does not install any GUI, leaving the boot in test mode.
<snip> I will *not* make comments about how an install isn't running a game engine, and so *ought* to be able to run in an order of magnitude less memory, except for bloated, objectionably oriented programming....
I TOTALLY do not get your point.
If you want the advanced Disk Druid features to work with LVM partitions, it seems you need the GUI version. That is pretty much the driver for me in many of my installs.
I SUPPOSE I can start playing with kickstart to either create the partitions as I want (tried that some years ago and always messed up something), or play with kickstart so it will start X11 even though there is on 480Mb of memory.
For servers, after the install, I set inittab to 3 and if I need a GUI to manage the server, I use VNC over SSH so I like to have gnome there for the couple times a year I use it (via VNC).
And my desktops that run FC or Centos have NO games on them. These are work systems. Even the family computers (XP or FC) do not have any games. If the kids want games they go over to their friends and play outside or with game boards where they have real interaction.
please stop wasting your precious time
break out your wallet, blow the dust out, and spend a few bucks on some RAM
it is TOTALLY inexpensive and you can add some quality years to your life than to spend it in such painful and worrisome turmoil
;->
I TOTALLY do not get your point.
If you want the advanced Disk Druid features to work with LVM partitions, it seems you need the GUI version. That is pretty much the driver for me in many of my installs.
I SUPPOSE I can start playing with kickstart to either create the partitions as I want (tried that some years ago and always messed up something), or play with kickstart so it will start X11 even though there is on 480Mb of memory.
For servers, after the install, I set inittab to 3 and if I need a GUI to manage the server, I use VNC over SSH so I like to have gnome there for the couple times a year I use it (via VNC).
And my desktops that run FC or Centos have NO games on them. These are work systems. Even the family computers (XP or FC) do not have any games. If the kids want games they go over to their friends and play outside or with game boards where they have real interaction.
break out your wallet, blow the dust out, and spend a few bucks on some RAM
Sometimes the hardware is so old, that it is not as easy as that to find the right RAM for it...
I have some very old IBM PoS cashier machines (sic! got them for 30 EUR each, plenty of connectors, very well built) based on Celeron processors which valiantly run CentOS 5 for some tests/router/storage, etc., but I have a hard time finding RAM for them. I think that they will never make it to CentOS 6 (maybe I'll switch them to Debian which I always found pretty good for low-end hardware).
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Mathieu Baudier wrote:
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Mathieu Baudier mbaudier@argeo.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 installation memory requirements
break out your wallet, blow the dust out, and spend a few bucks on some RAM
Sometimes the hardware is so old, that it is not as easy as that to find the right RAM for it...
I have some very old IBM PoS cashier machines (sic! got them for 30 EUR each, plenty of connectors, very well built) based on Celeron processors which valiantly run CentOS 5 for some tests/router/storage, etc., but I have a hard time finding RAM for them. I think that they will never make it to CentOS 6 (maybe I'll switch them to Debian which I always found pretty good for low-end hardware).
What type of RAM modules are you looking for?
I think I might be able to help.
Keith
What type of RAM modules are you looking for?
I'm never quite sure how to find out. I know that there was a pretty descriptive label on one of them (with 200 MHz or something) and that's how I could find a similar one.
Let me open them and find out and I'll contact you offlist. They would be much more useful with just a bit of additional RAM (and they may run CentOS 6 in the end ;)
Thanks!
Mathieu
On 11/16/2010 10:13 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Will (does) Centos 6 require 512Mb of memory for the GUI install like FC14 or the lower requirement of FC13?
My ASUS EE 700 has ~490Mb of memory (vidoe steals some from the 512Mb base) and FC14 switches to text install and does not install any GUI, leaving the boot in test mode.
I recall a message earlier that 6 is based off of 14, but not the final Anaconda, thus my question.
It would be NICE if the install can work with at least 384Mb of memory, as this is the recommended minimum for FC14 so I would think it is the miniumum for RHEL/Centos 6.
I am seeing FC leave more older hardware behind and with its short cycles and 'currentness' of apps for RHEL 6, I am looking at moving some of my desktops back from FC to Centos. FC13 may be the last FC for some of them...
RHEL 6 uses the 2.6.32 kernel (a-la F12), so I should expect it's minimum requirements to be similar to F12. I've not tried such a paired down install though, so I can't say for sure.
Perhaps you could craft a thinned-down kickstart installer that includes Gnome/KDE? Then, if you don't have enough memory, you can start parring down packages post-install until you can fire up the GUI?
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