-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heller Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 15:46 To: CentOS mailing list Cc: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Creating an alternitive install CD for CentOS 5.2 (w/patched mkinitrd)
At Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:47:50 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Robert Heller
heller@deepsoft.com wrote:
.....
I was unsure of the specific options above -- After installing revisor and poked around in the source code and found
what I needed,
but my test install failed -- it complained that there
was a problem
with mkinitrd -- could not open it or find it -- guessing
I need to
rebuild the repro database.
... reboot, lather, rinse and repeat .... :-) :=)
You may find "re-generating" the CentOS CDs/DVD quite
easy at times
and very frustrating and complex at others ......
Yeah, it appears so. B I just hope I don't have to rebuild all 6 CDs, since I don't have the DVD nor do I have a DVD-R
drive either,
so doing things with a single DVD is not an option.
Last time I added a DVD burner to my Build system, it cost
$29 (USD)
and this was for a very good, reliable unit. Not worth my time and immense hassle to do otherwise ....
As for ...
could not open it or find it -- guessing I need to
rebuild the repro
database.
What about:
First of all, if you replace an RPM, you'll need to do
createrepro.
What isn't clear?? As "need to" means **MUST**.... <hmmmm>. Why did you even make an attempt without the createrepro command?? Two to three minutes of your time wasn't worth it (but
taking our time
is, of course) :-):-) ...
I did not even know about the createrepro command!
While I believe your bug reports, I install CentOS on RAID + LVM everyday without any problems, private kernel patches, etc. -- as a counter-example.
Did you *specificly* install CentOS 5.2 (as opposed to 5.1 or 4.7? Do you want the URLs of of the CentOS 5.2 & RHEL 5.2 bug reports? Did you install onto bare partitions and then migrate to RAID and/or LVM later? Note this is *software RAID*, not hardware RAID.
Now, let's see if we understand the situation clearly:
- This is a "one-time" conversion (will "throw the CD
away when done") ...
- You're migrating a system from Ubuntu to CentOS
(e.g., a different
version / patch level of LVM + RAID) and *hope* to keep data consistency and reliability ...
- You have a backup of this precious data, yes / no??
If no, eegaddss....
- So, why not just do a wipe + fresh install and
reload the data???
I want the option of falling back to the existing (working) Ubuntu system, in case there are problems with the CentOS setup. Right now, this is for a small (and relatively impoverished) small town library.
Is the library a 501c3?
The original setup (done by someone else who does not have the time, etc. to deal with it) uses LTSP and diskless thin clients. While this works, there are some performance issues. Because the LTSP uses the 'PC's as pretty much bare X Terminals, this means all of the real 'work' is done on the server itself. With several people working, often kids and teens playing Flash games and maybe one or two people using Open Office, the server litterally runs out of RAM and starts swapping, which slows everything down. I want to set up a slighter thicker clients using NFS mounted file systems in hopes that this will work better.
There is a backup process in place, but it has not been working lately, since there seems to be a problem with sshd on the external server. Even if it was working it might be problematical to restore it anyway because of the rather funcky internet connection we have (HughesNet satelite dishes -- nothing better is available here in the wilds of Western Mass).
The main reason for moving from Ubuntu to CentOS is that I am much more familar / confortable with RedHat flavored systems. Ubuntu seems to have more 'magical' things going on, which I could not figure out. I think Ubuntu tries to be overly 'helpful', which might be nice for some users and probably makes more sense for home desktop users, but was just frustating for someone trying to do some 'outside of the box' things.
Trying to get this straight, is this for the server or a client?
What are the disk specs for the machine? Why would you not just buy additional storage, even if you accomplish this install/upgrade over the old version you will most likely not be able to go back.
Now how much time have you spent on this "project" so far??
I believe
the above would be done 2 to 3x times over by now ....
Plus, you've found out that it is a lot more than "just a mkisofs command with a few arguments" (and that you have to follow instructions precisely or things just don't WORK(tm)).
Hmmmm....
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At Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:25:31 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heller Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 15:46 To: CentOS mailing list Cc: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Creating an alternitive install CD for CentOS 5.2 (w/patched mkinitrd)
At Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:47:50 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Robert Heller
heller@deepsoft.com wrote:
.....
I was unsure of the specific options above -- After installing revisor and poked around in the source code and found
what I needed,
but my test install failed -- it complained that there
was a problem
with mkinitrd -- could not open it or find it -- guessing
I need to
rebuild the repro database.
... reboot, lather, rinse and repeat .... :-) :=)
You may find "re-generating" the CentOS CDs/DVD quite
easy at times
and very frustrating and complex at others ......
Yeah, it appears so. B I just hope I don't have to rebuild all 6 CDs, since I don't have the DVD nor do I have a DVD-R
drive either,
so doing things with a single DVD is not an option.
Last time I added a DVD burner to my Build system, it cost
$29 (USD)
and this was for a very good, reliable unit. Not worth my time and immense hassle to do otherwise ....
As for ...
could not open it or find it -- guessing I need to
rebuild the repro
database.
What about:
First of all, if you replace an RPM, you'll need to do
createrepro.
What isn't clear?? As "need to" means **MUST**.... <hmmmm>. Why did you even make an attempt without the createrepro command?? Two to three minutes of your time wasn't worth it (but
taking our time
is, of course) :-):-) ...
I did not even know about the createrepro command!
While I believe your bug reports, I install CentOS on RAID + LVM everyday without any problems, private kernel patches, etc. -- as a counter-example.
Did you *specificly* install CentOS 5.2 (as opposed to 5.1 or 4.7? Do you want the URLs of of the CentOS 5.2 & RHEL 5.2 bug reports? Did you install onto bare partitions and then migrate to RAID and/or LVM later? Note this is *software RAID*, not hardware RAID.
Now, let's see if we understand the situation clearly:
- This is a "one-time" conversion (will "throw the CD
away when done") ...
- You're migrating a system from Ubuntu to CentOS
(e.g., a different
version / patch level of LVM + RAID) and *hope* to keep data consistency and reliability ...
- You have a backup of this precious data, yes / no??
If no, eegaddss....
- So, why not just do a wipe + fresh install and
reload the data???
I want the option of falling back to the existing (working) Ubuntu system, in case there are problems with the CentOS setup. Right now, this is for a small (and relatively impoverished) small town library.
Is the library a 501c3?
It is a public town library. Wendell, MA is a small town and funds are limited, esp. with the ecconomic situation, with state budget cuts, etc.
The original setup (done by someone else who does not have the time, etc. to deal with it) uses LTSP and diskless thin clients. While this works, there are some performance issues. Because the LTSP uses the 'PC's as pretty much bare X Terminals, this means all of the real 'work' is done on the server itself. With several people working, often kids and teens playing Flash games and maybe one or two people using Open Office, the server litterally runs out of RAM and starts swapping, which slows everything down. I want to set up a slighter thicker clients using NFS mounted file systems in hopes that this will work better.
There is a backup process in place, but it has not been working lately, since there seems to be a problem with sshd on the external server. Even if it was working it might be problematical to restore it anyway because of the rather funcky internet connection we have (HughesNet satelite dishes -- nothing better is available here in the wilds of Western Mass).
The main reason for moving from Ubuntu to CentOS is that I am much more familar / confortable with RedHat flavored systems. Ubuntu seems to have more 'magical' things going on, which I could not figure out. I think Ubuntu tries to be overly 'helpful', which might be nice for some users and probably makes more sense for home desktop users, but was just frustating for someone trying to do some 'outside of the box' things.
Trying to get this straight, is this for the server or a client?
The server. The clients are all diskless, using LTSP at present (well, one has a noisy, dieing IDE disk, but it is going to become diskless).
What are the disk specs for the machine? Why would you not just buy additional storage, even if you accomplish this install/upgrade over the old version you will most likely not be able to go back.
Right now it has two 80gig SATA disks with two Software RAID1 arrays, one 10gig mounted as / and one 63gig mounted as /home, with a swap partition on each disk (not RAID for some reason). This was set up by another Linux guru, who favored Ubuntu. He is not as available as I am (I live in town and am effectively underemplored right now), so I have inheirited this setup and have tried to make some improvements. We are going to get an additional pair of 80gig SATA disks (possiblely from geeks.com, which has them for about $50/each) -- the existing pair are close to 2 years old, so I'd like to have some newer ones in place before the existing ones start failing. It is in a Dell server box (small tower type).
Now how much time have you spent on this "project" so far??
I believe
the above would be done 2 to 3x times over by now ....
Plus, you've found out that it is a lot more than "just a mkisofs command with a few arguments" (and that you have to follow instructions precisely or things just don't WORK(tm)).
Hmmmm....
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-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heller Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 23:24 To: CentOS mailing list Cc: 'CentOS mailing list' Subject: Re: [CentOS] Creating an alternitive install CD for CentOS 5.2(w/patched mkinitrd)
At Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:25:31 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heller Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 15:46 To: CentOS mailing list Cc: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Creating an alternitive install CD
for CentOS
5.2 (w/patched mkinitrd)
At Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:47:50 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Robert Heller
heller@deepsoft.com wrote:
.....
I was unsure of the specific options above -- After
installing
revisor and poked around in the source code and found
what I needed,
but my test install failed -- it complained that there
was a problem
with mkinitrd -- could not open it or find it -- guessing
I need to
rebuild the repro database.
... reboot, lather, rinse and repeat .... :-) :=)
You may find "re-generating" the CentOS CDs/DVD quite
easy at times
and very frustrating and complex at others ......
Yeah, it appears so. B I just hope I don't have to
rebuild all 6
CDs, since I don't have the DVD nor do I have a DVD-R
drive either,
so doing things with a single DVD is not an option.
Last time I added a DVD burner to my Build system, it cost
$29 (USD)
and this was for a very good, reliable unit. Not worth my time and immense hassle to do otherwise ....
As for ...
could not open it or find it -- guessing I need to
rebuild the repro
database.
What about:
First of all, if you replace an RPM, you'll need to do
createrepro.
What isn't clear?? As "need to" means **MUST**.... <hmmmm>. Why did you even make an attempt without the
createrepro command??
Two to three minutes of your time wasn't worth it (but
taking our time
is, of course) :-):-) ...
I did not even know about the createrepro command!
While I believe your bug reports, I install CentOS on
RAID + LVM
everyday without any problems, private kernel patches,
etc. -- as
a counter-example.
Did you *specificly* install CentOS 5.2 (as opposed to
5.1 or 4.7?
Do you want the URLs of of the CentOS 5.2 & RHEL 5.2 bug
reports?
Did you install onto bare partitions and then migrate to
RAID and/or
LVM later? Note this is *software RAID*, not hardware RAID.
Now, let's see if we understand the situation clearly:
- This is a "one-time" conversion (will "throw the CD
away when done") ...
- You're migrating a system from Ubuntu to CentOS
(e.g., a different
version / patch level of LVM + RAID) and *hope*to keep data
consistency and reliability ...
- You have a backup of this precious data, yes / no??
If no, eegaddss....
- So, why not just do a wipe + fresh install and
reload the data???
I want the option of falling back to the existing
(working) Ubuntu
system, in case there are problems with the CentOS setup. Right now, this is for a small (and relatively impoverished) small town library.
Is the library a 501c3?
It is a public town library. Wendell, MA is a small town and funds are limited, esp. with the ecconomic situation, with state budget cuts, etc.
The original setup (done by someone else who does not
have the time,
etc. to deal with it) uses LTSP and diskless thin clients. While this works, there are some performance issues. Because the LTSP uses the 'PC's as pretty much bare X Terminals, this means all of the real 'work' is done on the server itself. With several people working, often kids and teens playing Flash games and maybe one or two
people using
Open Office, the server litterally runs out of RAM and starts swapping, which slows everything down. I want to set up
a slighter
thicker clients using NFS mounted file systems in hopes that this will work better.
There is a backup process in place, but it has not been working lately, since there seems to be a problem with sshd on
the external
server. Even if it was working it might be problematical to restore it anyway because of the rather funcky internet connection we have (HughesNet satelite dishes -- nothing better is available here in the wilds of Western Mass).
The main reason for moving from Ubuntu to CentOS is that
I am much
more familar / confortable with RedHat flavored systems. Ubuntu seems to have more 'magical' things going on,
which I could
not figure out. I think Ubuntu tries to be overly
'helpful', which
might be nice for some users and probably makes more
sense for home
desktop users, but was just frustating for someone trying
to do some
'outside of the box' things.
Trying to get this straight, is this for the server or a client?
The server. The clients are all diskless, using LTSP at present (well, one has a noisy, dieing IDE disk, but it is going to become diskless).
What are the disk specs for the machine? Why would you not just buy additional storage, even if you accomplish this
install/upgrade over
the old version you will most likely not be able to go back.
Right now it has two 80gig SATA disks with two Software RAID1
80G SATA Mirror, OK.
arrays, one 10gig mounted as / and one 63gig mounted as /home, with a swap partition on each disk (not RAID for some reason). This was set up by another Linux guru, who favored Ubuntu. He is not as available as I am (I live in town and am effectively underemplored right now), so I have inheirited this setup and have tried to make some improvements. We are going to get an additional pair of 80gig SATA disks (possiblely from geeks.com, which has them for about $50/each) -- the existing pair are close to 2 years old, so I'd like to have some newer ones in place before the existing ones start failing. It is in a Dell server box (small tower type).
Here is my opinion.
1. Save the old disks, take them out 2. add two new ones. 3. research on sofware raid, swap, and centos installs (blank disks). I.E. why to raid/not raid swap, lvm or not, text mode vs. gui install....
Questions on this step, start a new thread.
4. Install 5. optionally attach old disks to access data or undo setup completely.
Disk options:
Searching newegg.com: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150014%2... 5%201035915133&name=SATA%203.0Gb%2fs
35$ Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST380815AS 80GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (~5$ shipping each) 40$ Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3160813AS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (~5$ shipping each) 50$ Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250310AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (free shipping) 55$ Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3320613AS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (free shipping) 60$ Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (free shipping)
If you have issues on these steps PM me, you might want to close this thread.
Now how much time have you spent on this "project" so far??
I believe
the above would be done 2 to 3x times over by now ....
Plus, you've found out that it is a lot more than "just
a mkisofs
command with a few arguments" (and that you have to follow instructions precisely or things just don't WORK(tm)).
Hmmmm....
As the wind has blown on this thread, you have been explained that your initial course of action is definitely from the BadIdeasInc.com department. Your intentions were noble but very misguided, knowing is half the battle.
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Robert Heller wrote:
What are the disk specs for the machine? Why would you not just buy additional storage, even if you accomplish this install/upgrade over the old version you will most likely not be able to go back.
Right now it has two 80gig SATA disks with two Software RAID1 arrays, one 10gig mounted as / and one 63gig mounted as /home, with a swap partition on each disk (not RAID for some reason). This was set up by another Linux guru, who favored Ubuntu. He is not as available as I am (I live in town and am effectively underemplored right now), so I have inheirited this setup and have tried to make some improvements. We are going to get an additional pair of 80gig SATA disks (possiblely from geeks.com, which has them for about $50/each) -- the existing pair are close to 2 years old, so I'd like to have some newer ones in place before the existing ones start failing. It is in a Dell server box (small tower type).
80 gigs seem sort of like a waste of real estate now that you can get drives in the TB range for only a little more.
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