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So I'm emailing this to you guys
I'm thinking of creating a project based on JBoss EAP the same way CentOS does with RHEL. Obviously I can't call it JBoss EAP so I thought I could call it CentAP, for Community Enterprise Application Platform. Will this infringe on the Red Hat and/or CentOS trademarks?
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Pouar thepouar@gmail.com wrote:
I've tried emailing this to centos-tm@redhat.com , but mailer-daemon@googlemail.com sent me this
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centos-tm@redhat.comTechnical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain redhat.com by mx1.redhat.com. [209.132.183.28].
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So I'm emailing this to you guys
I'm thinking of creating a project based on JBoss EAP the same way CentOS does with RHEL. Obviously I can't call it JBoss EAP so I thought I could call it CentAP, for Community Enterprise Application Platform. Will this infringe on the Red Hat and/or CentOS trademarks?
Given the recent discussion in the thread below [0], you probably shouldn't name it as such.
Unless your "spin/project" becomes an official variant. Read Johnny's response (URL below) and respond back if you have any questions.
[0] http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2014-February/141070.html
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On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Pouar thepouar@gmail.com wrote:
I'm thinking of creating a project based on JBoss EAP the same way CentOS does with RHEL. Obviously I can't call it JBoss EAP so I thought I could call it CentAP, for Community Enterprise Application Platform. Will this infringe on the Red Hat and/or CentOS trademarks?
On Sun, 2014-03-09 at 18:06 -0400, SilverTip257 wrote:
Given the recent discussion in the thread below [0], you probably shouldn't name it as such.
Unless your "spin/project" becomes an official variant. Read Johnny's response (URL below) and respond back if you have any questions.
[0] http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2014-February/141070.html
So Centipede is OK, since it is distinctive different from Centos but CentAP infringes.
How about CentsAPP or Centsapp ? That won't infringe.
On 09/03/14 08:26 PM, Always Learning wrote:
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Pouar thepouar@gmail.com wrote:
I'm thinking of creating a project based on JBoss EAP the same way CentOS does with RHEL. Obviously I can't call it JBoss EAP so I thought I could call it CentAP, for Community Enterprise Application Platform. Will this infringe on the Red Hat and/or CentOS trademarks?
On Sun, 2014-03-09 at 18:06 -0400, SilverTip257 wrote:
Given the recent discussion in the thread below [0], you probably shouldn't name it as such.
Unless your "spin/project" becomes an official variant. Read Johnny's response (URL below) and respond back if you have any questions.
[0] http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2014-February/141070.html
So Centipede is OK, since it is distinctive different from Centos but CentAP infringes.
How about CentsAPP or Centsapp ? That won't infringe.
Centipede, as a technical thing/program, looks to be fine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centipede_(disambiguation)
Personally, I would:
a) Not use Cent* b) Ask a trademark lawyer
Digimer <lists@...> writes:
On 09/03/14 08:26 PM, Always Learning wrote:
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Pouar <thepouar@...> wrote:
I'm thinking of creating a project based on JBoss EAP the same way CentOS does with RHEL. Obviously I can't call it JBoss EAP so I thought I could call it CentAP, for Community Enterprise Application Platform. Will this infringe on the Red Hat and/or CentOS trademarks?
<SNIP>
Personally, I would:
a) Not use Cent* b) Ask a trademark lawyer
Best advice so far ^^^^
IANAL of any kind and specifically not a trademark lawyer.
As I understand it, trademark law differs from other IP law in that the trademark owner must "defend" their trademark or they lose it. It's great when a trademarked word becomes synonymous with something (Kleenex, Xerox, etc.) but it also means the company that owns the trademark has to actively go after (C&D) anyone who uses their trademarked word. This also apparently holds for companies that deliberately create a product that has almost the same name as a trademarked product (I remember seeing a picture of a tube of Colgade toothpaste in the article discussing this).
So, while CentAP or some of the other suggestions may not infringe on CentOS, you could still get a C&D from a Red Hat lawyer telling you not to use CentAP. Unless you can afford a really good trademark lawyer to fight the C&D, you'll have to discontinue use of CentAP (or whatever). Your choice.
Clear as mud? That's why lawyers make lots of money.
Cheers, Dave
On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 14:28 +0000, David G.Miller wrote:
So, while CentAP or some of the other suggestions may not infringe on CentOS, you could still get a C&D from a Red Hat lawyer telling you not to use CentAP. Unless you can afford a really good trademark lawyer to fight the C&D, you'll have to discontinue use of CentAP (or whatever).
USA patent law has differences from EU patent law.
I'm not a lawyer either. Once defence is whether RH effectively "stole" the Centos brand name or colluded to pay money to persons whose property it wasn't to transfer the brand name from general community ownership, or offer no opposition to RH registering a brand name which was the de facto property of a large international community.
If RH agreement eventually went "bad" could the Centos community get their brand name back from RH ? Think not.
On 10/03/14 04:15 PM, Always Learning wrote:
On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 14:28 +0000, David G.Miller wrote:
So, while CentAP or some of the other suggestions may not infringe on CentOS, you could still get a C&D from a Red Hat lawyer telling you not to use CentAP. Unless you can afford a really good trademark lawyer to fight the C&D, you'll have to discontinue use of CentAP (or whatever).
USA patent law has differences from EU patent law.
I'm not a lawyer either. Once defence is whether RH effectively "stole" the Centos brand name or colluded to pay money to persons whose property it wasn't to transfer the brand name from general community ownership, or offer no opposition to RH registering a brand name which was the de facto property of a large international community.
If RH agreement eventually went "bad" could the Centos community get their brand name back from RH ? Think not.
These types of posts offer nothing productive. No one stole anything. The community that created the brand entered into a deal with a company willingly. If you want to debate the wisdom of that, fine. Please leave the melodrama out of it though.
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014, Digimer wrote:
a) Not use Cent*
The forthcoming fork of CentOS should be called NickelOS (pronounced Nicolas).
Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014, Digimer wrote:
a) Not use Cent*
The forthcoming fork of CentOS should be called NickelOS (pronounced Nicolas).
Wait till I fork that and create the DimeOS....
mark "or write some software for the NickelOS called cigar...."*
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Always Learning centos@u62.u22.net wrote:
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Pouar thepouar@gmail.com wrote:
I'm thinking of creating a project based on JBoss EAP the same way CentOS does with RHEL. Obviously I can't call it JBoss EAP so I thought I could call it CentAP, for Community Enterprise Application Platform. Will this infringe on the Red Hat and/or CentOS trademarks?
On Sun, 2014-03-09 at 18:06 -0400, SilverTip257 wrote:
Given the recent discussion in the thread below [0], you probably
shouldn't
name it as such.
Unless your "spin/project" becomes an official variant. Read Johnny's response (URL below) and respond back if you have any questions.
[0] http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2014-February/141070.html
So Centipede is OK, since it is distinctive different from Centos but CentAP infringes.
How about CentsAPP or Centsapp ? That won't infringe.
Good point. I linked to Johnny's response for just this reason ... read and interpret for yourself! :) After all, the person choosing the name is ultimately responsible.
I read the OP's message too quickly and skimmed right by the "AP" replacing the "OS". It's still darn close to CentOS (as Digimer points out as well) and I'd be cautious to choosing CentAP.
-- Paul. England, EU.
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Hi,
try sending that TM question to centos-tm again, it should come through and that really is the best place to address this stuff. You can, alternatively, email centosdev as well.
On 03/09/2014 09:12 PM, Pouar wrote:
I'm thinking of creating a project based on JBoss EAP the same way CentOS does with RHEL. Obviously I can't call it JBoss EAP so I thought I could call it CentAP, for Community Enterprise Application Platform. Will this infringe on the Red Hat and/or CentOS trademarks?
would you consider coming and doing this as a part of the overall SIG process in CentOS ? saves you from having to setup all the infra, get the community bootstrapped and you still get lots of flexibility to do cool stuff.
- KB
On 03/10/2014 11:47 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hi,
try sending that TM question to centos-tm again, it should come through and that really is the best place to address this stuff. You can, alternatively, email centosdev as well.
On 03/09/2014 09:12 PM, Pouar wrote:
I'm thinking of creating a project based on JBoss EAP the same way CentOS does with RHEL. Obviously I can't call it JBoss EAP so I thought I could call it CentAP, for Community Enterprise Application Platform. Will this infringe on the Red Hat and/or CentOS trademarks?
would you consider coming and doing this as a part of the overall SIG process in CentOS ? saves you from having to setup all the infra, get the community bootstrapped and you still get lots of flexibility to do cool stuff.
- KB
Sure
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