I am unable to use BitTorrent due to being behind a firewall. Does anyone have the 4.3 DVD image available for download?
Thanks.
I am unable to use BitTorrent due to being behind a firewall. Does anyone have the 4.3 DVD image available for download?
Don't know about the rest of you guys, but for me, BitTorrent downloads are much slower than FTP. I was able to download the CDs at about 5-6 minutes each, the torrent took over 10 hours. I hereby cast a vote for the posting the DVD image. One image, or a set of files created with split(1).
Jack
It's not a matter of voting... it's a matter of paying for the ftp server bandwidth. Using bittorrent you pay for the transfer by uploading a bit yourself, not to mention that many volunteers (like me) leave their bittorrents clients up and running long after they're done downloading (I've already uploaded about 35 DVD's worth).
Cheers, MaZe.
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Jack Bailey wrote:
I am unable to use BitTorrent due to being behind a firewall. Does anyone have the 4.3 DVD image available for download?
Don't know about the rest of you guys, but for me, BitTorrent downloads are much slower than FTP. I was able to download the CDs at about 5-6 minutes each, the torrent took over 10 hours. I hereby cast a vote for the posting the DVD image. One image, or a set of files created with split(1).
Jack
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Maciej Żenczykowski wrote:
It's not a matter of voting... it's a matter of paying for the ftp server bandwidth. Using bittorrent you pay for the transfer by uploading a bit yourself, not to mention that many volunteers (like me) leave their bittorrents clients up and running long after they're done downloading (I've already uploaded about 35 DVD's worth).
What's the difference between 4 CDs and 1 DVD split into 4 chunks? Nothing. If you want to make a case for distributing costs, then yank the CDs and make them only available as torrents as well.
Jack
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 14:11 -0800, Jack Bailey wrote:
Maciej Żenczykowski wrote:
It's not a matter of voting... it's a matter of paying for the ftp server bandwidth. Using bittorrent you pay for the transfer by uploading a bit yourself, not to mention that many volunteers (like me) leave their bittorrents clients up and running long after they're done downloading (I've already uploaded about 35 DVD's worth).
What's the difference between 4 CDs and 1 DVD split into 4 chunks? Nothing. If you want to make a case for distributing costs, then yank the CDs and make them only available as torrents as well.
umm ... we are already distributing the CD ... if/when we distribute the DVD, that is, of course, that is an additional doubling of the size.
The major issue with the DVD is still it's size. At > 2gb (x12 arches) it is a problem to all but FTP and apache that has been given LFS support.
So, Jack, are you writing the check to do (2.2gb/DVD)x(12 DVDS)x(100 mirrors)= 2640 GB = 2.64 TB just to get the DVDs to the mirrors.
Also we are going to have a CentOS5 and CentOS6 probably before we get rid of centos-2 ... and there will be 4 arches (OR 11TB) just to transfer the DVDs to the mirrors them ... and it makes 26.4GBx4=105gb of mirror space just for DVDs ....
I'm not sure you have completely though out the implications of your simple suggestion.
It's not a matter of voting... it's a matter of paying for the ftp server bandwidth. Using bittorrent you pay for the transfer by uploading a bit yourself, not to mention that many volunteers (like me) leave their bittorrents clients up and running long after they're done downloading (I've already uploaded about 35 DVD's worth).
What's the difference between 4 CDs and 1 DVD split into 4 chunks? Nothing. If you want to make a case for distributing costs, then yank the CDs and make them only available as torrents as well.
umm ... we are already distributing the CD ... if/when we distribute the DVD, that is, of course, that is an additional doubling of the size.
The major issue with the DVD is still it's size. At > 2gb (x12 arches) it is a problem to all but FTP and apache that has been given LFS support.
So, Jack, are you writing the check to do (2.2gb/DVD)x(12 DVDS)x(100 mirrors)= 2640 GB = 2.64 TB just to get the DVDs to the mirrors.
Also we are going to have a CentOS5 and CentOS6 probably before we get rid of centos-2 ... and there will be 4 arches (OR 11TB) just to transfer the DVDs to the mirrors them ... and it makes 26.4GBx4=105gb of mirror space just for DVDs ....
I'm not sure you have completely though out the implications of your
You're right, I did not think of the storage or getting them to the mirrors. I was thinking only of the act of downloading.
That said, I think "who's writing the check" is a strawman. Mirrors are provided by volunteers who can opt out any time they decide the costs are too great.
Jack
Jack Bailey wrote:
So, Jack, are you writing the check to do (2.2gb/DVD)x(12 DVDS)x(100 mirrors)= 2640 GB = 2.64 TB just to get the DVDs to the mirrors.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That said, I think "who's writing the check" is a strawman. Mirrors are provided by volunteers who can opt out any time they decide the costs are too great.
I underlined the important part for you.
Ralph
wow. BT is keeping my pipe maxed out for the dvd image.
Jack Bailey wrote:
I am unable to use BitTorrent due to being behind a firewall. Does anyone have the 4.3 DVD image available for download?
Don't know about the rest of you guys, but for me, BitTorrent downloads are much slower than FTP. I was able to download the CDs at about 5-6 minutes each, the torrent took over 10 hours. I hereby cast a vote for the posting the DVD image. One image, or a set of files created with split(1).
Jack
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Jack Bailey wrote:
I am unable to use BitTorrent due to being behind a firewall. Does anyone have the 4.3 DVD image available for download?
Don't know about the rest of you guys, but for me, BitTorrent downloads are much slower than FTP. I was able to download the CDs at about 5-6 minutes each, the torrent took over 10 hours. I hereby cast a vote for the posting the DVD image. One image, or a set of files created with split(1).
you have a local problem on your end or a mis configured bittorrent client - look at this :
at time of release, the DVD torrents were seeding ( for x86_64, i386 and ia64 together ) at over 1.3 GiB/sec.
its only grown from there. And almost everyone who's commented on it - has said that they have been able to saturate their links with the torrent ( eg. one guy on irc was leeching at 35MiB/sec earlier in the day today ... )
I find it hard to believe that in general terms, ftp would offer much better performance.
you have a local problem on your end or a mis configured bittorrent client - look at this :
at time of release, the DVD torrents were seeding ( for x86_64, i386 and ia64 together ) at over 1.3 GiB/sec.
its only grown from there. And almost everyone who's commented on it - has said that they have been able to saturate their links with the torrent ( eg. one guy on irc was leeching at 35MiB/sec earlier in the day today ... )
I find it hard to believe that in general terms, ftp would offer much better performance.
I do believe that something is wrong with the setup. I get torrent connection speeds that vary wildly from 10KB/sec to about 200KB/sec. FTP gets me about 1380KB/sec.
Jack
Jack Bailey wrote:
you have a local problem on your end or a mis configured bittorrent client - look at this :
at time of release, the DVD torrents were seeding ( for x86_64, i386 and ia64 together ) at over 1.3 GiB/sec.
its only grown from there. And almost everyone who's commented on it - has said that they have been able to saturate their links with the torrent ( eg. one guy on irc was leeching at 35MiB/sec earlier in the day today ... )
I find it hard to believe that in general terms, ftp would offer much better performance.
I do believe that something is wrong with the setup. I get torrent connection speeds that vary wildly from 10KB/sec to about 200KB/sec. FTP gets me about 1380KB/sec.
surely, these are not centos DVD image torrents you are talking about here ? if they are - can you give me some time scales as to when you had this sort of a speed issue ?
On Wed, March 22, 2006 5:55 pm, Karanbir Singh said:
Jack Bailey wrote:
similarCD
you have a local problem on your end or a mis configured bittorrent client - look at this :
at time of release, the DVD torrents were seeding ( for x86_64, i386 and ia64 together ) at over 1.3 GiB/sec.
its only grown from there. And almost everyone who's commented on it - has said that they have been able to saturate their links with the torrent ( eg. one guy on irc was leeching at 35MiB/sec earlier in the day today ... )
I find it hard to believe that in general terms, ftp would offer much better performance.
I do believe that something is wrong with the setup. I get torrent connection speeds that vary wildly from 10KB/sec to about 200KB/sec. FTP gets me about 1380KB/sec.
surely, these are not centos DVD image torrents you are talking about here ? if they are - can you give me some time scales as to when you had this sort of a speed issue ?
I've been experiencing similar speeds as those described by Jack all day today. The 4-CD torrent was really fast, but the one for the DVD has been much slower.
Marko
I do believe that something is wrong with the setup. I get torrent connection speeds that vary wildly from 10KB/sec to about 200KB/sec. FTP gets me about 1380KB/sec.
surely, these are not centos DVD image torrents you are talking about here ? if they are - can you give me some time scales as to when you had this sort of a speed issue ?
Yes, the DVD torrents. I started the DVD download last night about 9:00PM. I went to bed at 3:00AM, with 5 hours, 20 minutes remaining of download time remaining. This morning I checked the file modification time which works out to a total download time of about 10 hours, 50 minutes. Contrast this to downloading all 4 CDs in under 30 minutes.
I'll put my money where my mouth is and buy the DVD. At this point I'm probably coming off as ungrateful which is certainly not the case.
Jack
Jack Bailey wrote:
I do believe that something is wrong with the setup. I get torrent connection speeds that vary wildly from 10KB/sec to about 200KB/sec. FTP gets me about 1380KB/sec.
surely, these are not centos DVD image torrents you are talking about here ? if they are - can you give me some time scales as to when you had this sort of a speed issue ?
Yes, the DVD torrents. I started the DVD download last night about 9:00PM. I went to bed at 3:00AM, with 5 hours, 20 minutes remaining of download time remaining. This morning I checked the file modification time which works out to a total download time of about 10 hours, 50 minutes. Contrast this to downloading all 4 CDs in under 30 minutes.
am looking at this issue right now...
Quoting Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org:
Jack Bailey wrote:
I do believe that something is wrong with the setup. I get torrent connection speeds that vary wildly from 10KB/sec to about 200KB/sec. FTP gets me about 1380KB/sec.
surely, these are not centos DVD image torrents you are talking about here ? if they are - can you give me some time scales as to when you had this sort of a speed issue ?
Yes, the DVD torrents. I started the DVD download last night about 9:00PM. I went to bed at 3:00AM, with 5 hours, 20 minutes remaining of download time remaining. This morning I checked the file modification time which works out to a total download time of about 10 hours, 50 minutes. Contrast this to downloading all 4 CDs in under 30 minutes.
Would it be possible for whomever makes the DVD to provide a script to build the DVD from the CD ISO images? That way, anyone who wants to make their own DVD can do so.
Barry
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, [ISO-8859-2] Maciej ¯enczykowski wrote:
I'm working on this (via jigdo).
Cool - I did look at jigdo but gave it up as a bad job.
and anyway - mkdvdiso.sh does it easily ...
Regards Lance
Hopefully will be ready within 24 hours.
Cheers, MaZe.
Would it be possible for whomever makes the DVD to provide a script to build the DVD from the CD ISO images? That way, anyone who wants to make their own DVD can do so.
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Barry Brimer wrote:
Quoting Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org:
Jack Bailey wrote:
I do believe that something is wrong with the setup. I get torrent connection speeds that vary wildly from 10KB/sec to about 200KB/sec. FTP gets me about 1380KB/sec.
surely, these are not centos DVD image torrents you are talking about here ? if they are - can you give me some time scales as to when you had this sort of a speed issue ?
Yes, the DVD torrents. I started the DVD download last night about 9:00PM. I went to bed at 3:00AM, with 5 hours, 20 minutes remaining of download time remaining. This morning I checked the file modification time which works out to a total download time of about 10 hours, 50 minutes. Contrast this to downloading all 4 CDs in under 30 minutes.
Would it be possible for whomever makes the DVD to provide a script to build the DVD from the CD ISO images? That way, anyone who wants to make their own DVD can do so.
there is a script, posted a few times to the mailing list now - that lets you do this sort of a thing.
( or look at : http://mirror.centos.org/centos/build/ for the mkdvdiso.sh script )
HTH
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Barry Brimer wrote:
Quoting Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org:
Jack Bailey wrote:
I do believe that something is wrong with the setup. I get torrent connection speeds that vary wildly from 10KB/sec to about 200KB/sec. FTP gets me about 1380KB/sec.
surely, these are not centos DVD image torrents you are talking about here ? if they are - can you give me some time scales as to when you had this sort of a speed issue ?
Yes, the DVD torrents. I started the DVD download last night about 9:00PM. I went to bed at 3:00AM, with 5 hours, 20 minutes remaining of download time remaining. This morning I checked the file modification time which works out to a total download time of about 10 hours, 50 minutes. Contrast this to downloading all 4 CDs in under 30 minutes.
Would it be possible for whomever makes the DVD to provide a script to build the DVD from the CD ISO images? That way, anyone who wants to make their own DVD can do so.
It is called mkdvdiso.sh and is in the build directory of centos mirrors :-
http://mirror.centos.org/centos/build/
Regards Lance
On 3/22/06, Jack Bailey jack@internetguy.net wrote:
I do believe that something is wrong with the setup. I get torrent connection speeds that vary wildly from 10KB/sec to about 200KB/sec. FTP gets me about 1380KB/sec.
For those of you outside the business arena and suffering speed issues, it may be that iptables is not accepting incoming requests on the right ports or ISP bandwidth throttling is biting you. With most bt clients, there's nothing stopping you from providing it a different port range (and some bt trackers actually require this) so that you can bypass any potential issues. I do this frequently if I notice a problem, and I was able to pull the DVD at around 700K/s, which is acceptable to me.
-- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety'' Benjamin Franklin 1775
Jack Bailey wrote:
Yes, the DVD torrents. I started the DVD download last night about 9:00PM. I went to bed at 3:00AM, with 5 hours, 20 minutes remaining of download time remaining. This morning I checked the file modification time which works out to a total download time of about 10 hours, 50 minutes. Contrast this to downloading all 4 CDs in under 30 minutes.
we've added a few more centos.org machines into the torrent pool to feed the binDVD's out ( thanks hughesjr !! )
I've also added another 1024KiB/sec upload capacity to the torrent externally ( hosted out of the US ), and we have 220+ Seeders. Set the refresh rate ( --rerequest_interval ) to something low - like maybe 20 min ( the default is 300 minutes ) , and retry the torrent, you _should_ see a much faster download rate now.
Also a big thanks to everyone who is helping seed...
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Maciej Żenczykowski -
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Ralph Angenendt -
Steve Snyder -
William Warren