Anyone know how to download and play stuff from itunes.apple.com (without having to use Windows or Mac)?
On 04/13/2010 05:26 PM ken wrote:
On 04/13/2010 05:08 PM ken wrote:
Anyone know how to download and play stuff from itunes.apple.com (without having to use Windows or Mac)?
Apparently iTunes installs and runs on wine. I'm gonna try that. Stay tuned....
Well, I got wine installed, but iTunesSetup.exe cannot complete its installation. It starts up, downloads files, but spits out a lot of error messages of the type:
err:module:import_dll Library icuuc40.dll (which is needed by L"C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\CoreFoundation.dll") not found
Then it says, Can't install. Try again later.
Has anyone gotten iTunes running on wine?
tia, ken
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:36 -0400, ken wrote:
On 04/13/2010 05:26 PM ken wrote:
On 04/13/2010 05:08 PM ken wrote:
Anyone know how to download and play stuff from itunes.apple.com (without having to use Windows or Mac)?
Apparently iTunes installs and runs on wine. I'm gonna try that. Stay tuned....
Well, I got wine installed, but iTunesSetup.exe cannot complete its installation. It starts up, downloads files, but spits out a lot of error messages of the type:
err:module:import_dll Library icuuc40.dll (which is needed by L"C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\CoreFoundation.dll") not found
Then it says, Can't install. Try again later.
Has anyone gotten iTunes running on wine?
---- never bothered trying
I think if I recall correctly, at about Fedora 6, I was using gtkpod to access iPod (probably won't work on iPhone or iPod Touch) and mplayer to play content.
Craig
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On 04/14/2010 03:48 PM Craig White wrote:
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:36 -0400, ken wrote:
On 04/13/2010 05:26 PM ken wrote:
On 04/13/2010 05:08 PM ken wrote:
Anyone know how to download and play stuff from itunes.apple.com (without having to use Windows or Mac)?
Apparently iTunes installs and runs on wine. I'm gonna try that. Stay tuned....
Well, I got wine installed, but iTunesSetup.exe cannot complete its installation. It starts up, downloads files, but spits out a lot of error messages of the type:
err:module:import_dll Library icuuc40.dll (which is needed by L"C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\CoreFoundation.dll") not found
Then it says, Can't install. Try again later.
Has anyone gotten iTunes running on wine?
...
I think if I recall correctly, at about Fedora 6, I was using gtkpod to access iPod (probably won't work on iPhone or iPod Touch) and mplayer to play content.
The actual problem is *getting* (downloading) from itunes.apple.com... For this I believe it's necessary to have iTunes installed and running properly.
I have used amarok to use the media on an ipod. Works. Be mindfull of the fact that it needs to "reformat something" on your device. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarok_(software)
On 14 April 2010 22:07, ken gebser@mousecar.com wrote:
Find research and analysis on US healthcare, health insurance, and health policy at: http://healthpolicydaily.blogspot.com/
On 04/14/2010 03:48 PM Craig White wrote:
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:36 -0400, ken wrote:
On 04/13/2010 05:26 PM ken wrote:
On 04/13/2010 05:08 PM ken wrote:
Anyone know how to download and play stuff from itunes.apple.com (without having to use Windows or Mac)?
Apparently iTunes installs and runs on wine. Â I'm gonna try that. Â Stay tuned....
Well, I got wine installed, but iTunesSetup.exe cannot complete its installation. Â It starts up, downloads files, but spits out a lot of error messages of the type:
err:module:import_dll Library icuuc40.dll (which is needed by L"C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\CoreFoundation.dll") not found
Then it says, Can't install. Try again later.
Has anyone gotten iTunes running on wine?
...
I think if I recall correctly, at about Fedora 6, I was using gtkpod to access iPod (probably won't work on iPhone or iPod Touch) and mplayer to play content.
The actual problem is *getting* (downloading) from itunes.apple.com... For this I believe it's necessary to have iTunes installed and running properly.
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Thanks for link. I should have known that wikipedia would have useful info.
The problem I was having was that I couldn't download a podcast from iTunes. (I figured that if I could download the file somehow, Linux would have some way to play it.) I installed wine and tried to install iTunes (the software) onto that, but couldn't get it to install. I've been unable to discover any other possible way to connect to the iTunes Store and, reading the link you gave, it seems that currently there isn't any way. This from wikipedia:
"With the release of iTunes 7.0, Apple changed their implementation of DAAP. This change prevents any third-party client, such as a computer running Linux, a modified Xbox, or any computer without iTunes installed, from connecting to a remote iTunes repository. iTunes will still connect as a client to other iTunes servers and to third-party servers."
DAAP is the networking protocol Apple uses to move iTunes (the audio files) around the internet and other networks.
Fortunately, a couple messages about iTunes.com failure to work with Linux to the upstream podcast provider (Terry Gross's "Fresh Air" radio show on NPR) found a sympathetic ear and they started posting MP3s of their shows on their own website. (Thanks, Terry!)
So, thanks to people at "Fresh Air" who understand Linux and the artificial difficulties posed by commercial software, the problem has effectively been solved.
On 04/19/2010 05:00 AM john maclean wrote:
I have used amarok to use the media on an ipod. Works. Be mindfull of the fact that it needs to "reformat something" on your device. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarok_(software)
On 14 April 2010 22:07, ken gebser@mousecar.com wrote:
Find research and analysis on US healthcare, health insurance, and health policy at: http://healthpolicydaily.blogspot.com/
On 04/14/2010 03:48 PM Craig White wrote:
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:36 -0400, ken wrote:
On 04/13/2010 05:26 PM ken wrote:
On 04/13/2010 05:08 PM ken wrote:
Anyone know how to download and play stuff from itunes.apple.com (without having to use Windows or Mac)?
Apparently iTunes installs and runs on wine. I'm gonna try that. Stay tuned....
Well, I got wine installed, but iTunesSetup.exe cannot complete its installation. It starts up, downloads files, but spits out a lot of error messages of the type:
err:module:import_dll Library icuuc40.dll (which is needed by L"C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\CoreFoundation.dll") not found
Then it says, Can't install. Try again later.
Has anyone gotten iTunes running on wine?
...
I think if I recall correctly, at about Fedora 6, I was using gtkpod to access iPod (probably won't work on iPhone or iPod Touch) and mplayer to play content.
The actual problem is *getting* (downloading) from itunes.apple.com... For this I believe it's necessary to have iTunes installed and running properly.
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On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 06:17 -0400, ken wrote:
Thanks for link. I should have known that wikipedia would have useful info.
The problem I was having was that I couldn't download a podcast from iTunes. (I figured that if I could download the file somehow, Linux would have some way to play it.) I installed wine and tried to install iTunes (the software) onto that, but couldn't get it to install. I've been unable to discover any other possible way to connect to the iTunes Store and, reading the link you gave, it seems that currently there isn't any way. This from wikipedia:
"With the release of iTunes 7.0, Apple changed their implementation of DAAP. This change prevents any third-party client, such as a computer running Linux, a modified Xbox, or any computer without iTunes installed, from connecting to a remote iTunes repository. iTunes will still connect as a client to other iTunes servers and to third-party servers."
DAAP is the networking protocol Apple uses to move iTunes (the audio files) around the internet and other networks.
Fortunately, a couple messages about iTunes.com failure to work with Linux to the upstream podcast provider (Terry Gross's "Fresh Air" radio show on NPR) found a sympathetic ear and they started posting MP3s of their shows on their own website. (Thanks, Terry!)
So, thanks to people at "Fresh Air" who understand Linux and the artificial difficulties posed by commercial software, the problem has effectively been solved.
---- actually, much more recent versions of iTunes actually do exchange data with my daap server (Linux) and that information at wikipedia is out of date.
Specifically current iTunes (9.x.x and even previous 8.x.x versions) do not have a problem finding/using my Linux based mt-daapd server but of course this does not have anything to do with actually trying to run iTunes software under wine or subscribing to podcasts with URL's hostile to everything but iTunes.
Craig
On 4/19/2010 11:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
Specifically current iTunes (9.x.x and even previous 8.x.x versions) do not have a problem finding/using my Linux based mt-daapd server but of course this does not have anything to do with actually trying to run iTunes software under wine or subscribing to podcasts with URL's hostile to everything but iTunes.
Are there subscription-friendly podcasts and software that don't involve itunes? I'm more interested in knowing how this might work directly from an android phone (which I don't have yet), but anything that could replace the cycle of updating on itunes then having to sync an ipod to that specific device would be good to know.
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 11:47 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 4/19/2010 11:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
Specifically current iTunes (9.x.x and even previous 8.x.x versions) do not have a problem finding/using my Linux based mt-daapd server but of course this does not have anything to do with actually trying to run iTunes software under wine or subscribing to podcasts with URL's hostile to everything but iTunes.
Are there subscription-friendly podcasts and software that don't involve itunes? I'm more interested in knowing how this might work directly from an android phone (which I don't have yet), but anything that could replace the cycle of updating on itunes then having to sync an ipod to that specific device would be good to know.
---- of course, and just to verify, I used my android to go to http://www.thisamericanlife.com and they have 2 podcast URL's - 1 for itunes and one for everything else and it worked just fine (the other).
I think that people are starting to figure out that delivering Apple proprietary content is good for Apple but not for the general public.
Craig
On 4/19/2010 12:18 PM, Craig White wrote:
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 11:47 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 4/19/2010 11:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
Specifically current iTunes (9.x.x and even previous 8.x.x versions) do not have a problem finding/using my Linux based mt-daapd server but of course this does not have anything to do with actually trying to run iTunes software under wine or subscribing to podcasts with URL's hostile to everything but iTunes.
Are there subscription-friendly podcasts and software that don't involve itunes? I'm more interested in knowing how this might work directly from an android phone (which I don't have yet), but anything that could replace the cycle of updating on itunes then having to sync an ipod to that specific device would be good to know.
of course, and just to verify, I used my android to go to http://www.thisamericanlife.com and they have 2 podcast URL's - 1 for itunes and one for everything else and it worked just fine (the other).
I think that people are starting to figure out that delivering Apple proprietary content is good for Apple but not for the general public.
Just to be clear, I don't mean places where you can download mp3's through a link, I mean something where you can subscribe to a feed and have the software automatically download new copies as they appear, add them to a playlist, and optionally delete them after playing. When I'm driving, I just want to select the playlist and always have the most recent subscribed and unplayed item at the top - without any intervention other than the initial subscription.
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 12:45 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 4/19/2010 12:18 PM, Craig White wrote:
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 11:47 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 4/19/2010 11:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
Specifically current iTunes (9.x.x and even previous 8.x.x versions) do not have a problem finding/using my Linux based mt-daapd server but of course this does not have anything to do with actually trying to run iTunes software under wine or subscribing to podcasts with URL's hostile to everything but iTunes.
Are there subscription-friendly podcasts and software that don't involve itunes? I'm more interested in knowing how this might work directly from an android phone (which I don't have yet), but anything that could replace the cycle of updating on itunes then having to sync an ipod to that specific device would be good to know.
of course, and just to verify, I used my android to go to http://www.thisamericanlife.com and they have 2 podcast URL's - 1 for itunes and one for everything else and it worked just fine (the other).
I think that people are starting to figure out that delivering Apple proprietary content is good for Apple but not for the general public.
Just to be clear, I don't mean places where you can download mp3's through a link, I mean something where you can subscribe to a feed and have the software automatically download new copies as they appear, add them to a playlist, and optionally delete them after playing. When I'm driving, I just want to select the playlist and always have the most recent subscribed and unplayed item at the top - without any intervention other than the initial subscription.
---- I'm not sure what's available on android to subscribe/download but using the web browser (which you can bookmark), I was able to go to the subscription url and it downloaded the current podcast and played it - as mentioned above. I said 2 podcast URL's - I didn't realize that I would have to repeat that.
Craig
On 4/19/2010 3:18 PM, Craig White wrote:
Specifically current iTunes (9.x.x and even previous 8.x.x versions) do not have a problem finding/using my Linux based mt-daapd server but of course this does not have anything to do with actually trying to run iTunes software under wine or subscribing to podcasts with URL's hostile to everything but iTunes.
Are there subscription-friendly podcasts and software that don't involve itunes? I'm more interested in knowing how this might work directly from an android phone (which I don't have yet), but anything that could replace the cycle of updating on itunes then having to sync an ipod to that specific device would be good to know.
of course, and just to verify, I used my android to go to http://www.thisamericanlife.com and they have 2 podcast URL's - 1 for itunes and one for everything else and it worked just fine (the other).
I think that people are starting to figure out that delivering Apple proprietary content is good for Apple but not for the general public.
Just to be clear, I don't mean places where you can download mp3's through a link, I mean something where you can subscribe to a feed and have the software automatically download new copies as they appear, add them to a playlist, and optionally delete them after playing. When I'm driving, I just want to select the playlist and always have the most recent subscribed and unplayed item at the top - without any intervention other than the initial subscription.
I'm not sure what's available on android to subscribe/download but using the web browser (which you can bookmark), I was able to go to the subscription url and it downloaded the current podcast and played it - as mentioned above. I said 2 podcast URL's - I didn't realize that I would have to repeat that.
The question is as much about the state of the art in non-itunes software as the content sources. With itunes, I can subscribe to some feeds and new items will be automatically downloaded when available and can be deleted after listening, and they can be included in a playlist that can be sorted by timestamps. Then when I connect an ipod it can automatically sync this playlist, including bringing back the 'listened' status for subsequent deletion on the computer. By naming the playlist so it is at the top on the ipod I can click the default items a few times without looking and always get the newest podcast - which has pretty much replaced all other content listening when I'm driving alone (my wife isn't thrilled by technical talk...).
I'm hoping that my next phone will be able to do this at least as conveniently by itself without the sync-to-computer step but it doesn't seem likely unless there is computer based software other than itunes that does it.
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 15:40 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
The question is as much about the state of the art in non-itunes software as the content sources. With itunes, I can subscribe to some feeds and new items will be automatically downloaded when available and can be deleted after listening, and they can be included in a playlist that can be sorted by timestamps. Then when I connect an ipod it can automatically sync this playlist, including bringing back the 'listened' status for subsequent deletion on the computer. By naming the playlist so it is at the top on the ipod I can click the default items a few times without looking and always get the newest podcast - which has pretty much replaced all other content listening when I'm driving alone (my wife isn't thrilled by technical talk...).
I'm hoping that my next phone will be able to do this at least as conveniently by itself without the sync-to-computer step but it doesn't seem likely unless there is computer based software other than itunes that does it.
---- The concept Apple drives is to have a master iTunes application that handles all of the device intelligence, whether it is software updates, synchronization of software, etc. Clearly this is an Apple-ism and the Android makes no attempt to replicate any of this, preferring to do everything OTA. The pace of Android software development is so high now that it's likely that someone is already writing or has already written something that does what you want or you could even write your own because unlike Apple, you don't actually need to jailbreak the phone or get blessing from Apple to install on your telephone.
In reality, what you are asking for seems superfluous... you just keep a bookmark of some podcast url and when you go there, it starts playing the stream, you never have to actually store the podcast (and then have to manage transfer from computer to device, delete old, etc.) and thus the Apple methodology seems to be rather convoluted (and analog) by comparison... but hey, that's just my opinion.
Craig
Craig White wrote:
In reality, what you are asking for seems superfluous... you just keep a bookmark of some podcast url and when you go there, it starts playing the stream, you never have to actually store the podcast (and then have to manage transfer from computer to device, delete old, etc.) and thus the Apple methodology seems to be rather convoluted (and analog) by comparison... but hey, that's just my opinion.
That's not really the same. I subscribe to several different podcasts that update on different schedules. They are mostly tech-news related so I always want to listen to the most recent, going on to older material as I catch up. And since I listen in the car I'd prefer to have the content pre-loaded and sorted appropriately in a playlist so it doesn't take any fiddling to play. The itunes->ipod scheme gets the details right automatically, including remembering the position in an older but unfinished piece and deleting after the content has been heard or skipped. The piece I'd like to eliminate is the need to sync daily to a specific computer to make it work - but so far haven't seen any other software that gets the concepts right.
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 20:00 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Craig White wrote:
In reality, what you are asking for seems superfluous... you just keep a bookmark of some podcast url and when you go there, it starts playing the stream, you never have to actually store the podcast (and then have to manage transfer from computer to device, delete old, etc.) and thus the Apple methodology seems to be rather convoluted (and analog) by comparison... but hey, that's just my opinion.
That's not really the same. I subscribe to several different podcasts that update on different schedules. They are mostly tech-news related so I always want to listen to the most recent, going on to older material as I catch up. And since I listen in the car I'd prefer to have the content pre-loaded and sorted appropriately in a playlist so it doesn't take any fiddling to play. The itunes->ipod scheme gets the details right automatically, including remembering the position in an older but unfinished piece and deleting after the content has been heard or skipped. The piece I'd like to eliminate is the need to sync daily to a specific computer to make it work - but so far haven't seen any other software that gets the concepts right.
---- No - it's not really the same, I agree and while I have had some difficulty with podcasts on my iPod, it does generally remember where it left off and generally works but does of course, require linking to the computer which actually manages the device (and takes a long time because I have a very large CD library).
Android does not have anything equivalent since there is no need for a computer link but of course it can be mounted to any computer and thus any scripted environment could easily copy/delete files from the connected device. Whether there is an application that will do as you wish, I don't know but there were 9,000 new applications last month for the Android... http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/android-market-gets-9-000-new-apps-in-mar...
and of course given Apple's heavy handed approach to software on iPods/iTunes/iPhones and DRM, I'm unlikely to purchase another device from them.
Craig
On 04/19/2010 09:00 PM Les Mikesell wrote:
Craig White wrote:
In reality, what you are asking for seems superfluous... you just keep a bookmark of some podcast url and when you go there, it starts playing the stream, you never have to actually store the podcast (and then have to manage transfer from computer to device, delete old, etc.) and thus the Apple methodology seems to be rather convoluted (and analog) by comparison... but hey, that's just my opinion.
That's not really the same. I subscribe to several different podcasts that update on different schedules. They are mostly tech-news related so I always want to listen to the most recent, going on to older material as I catch up. And since I listen in the car I'd prefer to have the content pre-loaded and sorted appropriately in a playlist so it doesn't take any fiddling to play. The itunes->ipod scheme gets the details right automatically, including remembering the position in an older but unfinished piece and deleting after the content has been heard or skipped. The piece I'd like to eliminate is the need to sync daily to a specific computer to make it work - but so far haven't seen any other software that gets the concepts right.
What kind of player do you have in your car that you can play podcasts (even though they might require syncing)?
And what tech podcasts do you tune into?
(Though I've been getting podcasts to my home PC, playing them in the car sounds like a move I should consider.)
tnx.
Hi,
I just got an Android phone last week and wanted something similar, i.e. an app that will automatically check for new feeds of a podcast and download them for me.
The app I'm trying right now is BeyondPod and it does a nice job. However it's a 7-day trial app and i'm not sure which features it's going to disable after the 7 days are up. To add podcasts, I simply used it's built-in interface to search for them and add them to my subscriptions list. It also remembers where I left off which is something I always missed whenever I tried any non-iPod based player, they didn't seem to think this small feature was important.
I like this app enough now that I don't carry my iPod Touch anymore, I don't need it. I managed to find replacements for the few apps I regularly used on the iPod Touch on the Android Market.
Hope this helps, Khusro
On 20 Apr 2010, at 15:28, ken wrote:
On 04/19/2010 09:00 PM Les Mikesell wrote:
Craig White wrote:
In reality, what you are asking for seems superfluous... you just keep a bookmark of some podcast url and when you go there, it starts playing the stream, you never have to actually store the podcast (and then have to manage transfer from computer to device, delete old, etc.) and thus the Apple methodology seems to be rather convoluted (and analog) by comparison... but hey, that's just my opinion.
That's not really the same. I subscribe to several different podcasts that update on different schedules. They are mostly tech-news related so I always want to listen to the most recent, going on to older material as I catch up. And since I listen in the car I'd prefer to have the content pre-loaded and sorted appropriately in a playlist so it doesn't take any fiddling to play. The itunes->ipod scheme gets the details right automatically, including remembering the position in an older but unfinished piece and deleting after the content has been heard or skipped. The piece I'd like to eliminate is the need to sync daily to a specific computer to make it work - but so far haven't seen any other software that gets the concepts right.
What kind of player do you have in your car that you can play podcasts (even though they might require syncing)?
And what tech podcasts do you tune into?
(Though I've been getting podcasts to my home PC, playing them in the car sounds like a move I should consider.)
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On 4/20/2010 9:28 AM, ken wrote:
That's not really the same. I subscribe to several different podcasts that update on different schedules. They are mostly tech-news related so I always want to listen to the most recent, going on to older material as I catch up. And since I listen in the car I'd prefer to have the content pre-loaded and sorted appropriately in a playlist so it doesn't take any fiddling to play. The itunes->ipod scheme gets the details right automatically, including remembering the position in an older but unfinished piece and deleting after the content has been heard or skipped. The piece I'd like to eliminate is the need to sync daily to a specific computer to make it work - but so far haven't seen any other software that gets the concepts right.
What kind of player do you have in your car that you can play podcasts (even though they might require syncing)?
I have a 1st-gen ipod nano that I plug into the aux jack or a cassette adapter. Not exactly hi-tech, but at least it's small and the same plug-in for charging also does the sync automatically.
And what tech podcasts do you tune into?
Cnet's Buzz Out Loud, Leo Laport's TWIT (actually anything with Leo Laport is good - he is one of the few tech geeks that has real TV experience and can keep a conversation moving), Cranky Geeks, FLOSS weekly. There are probably lots of others but I can't keep up with these.
(Though I've been getting podcasts to my home PC, playing them in the car sounds like a move I should consider.)
I have a 40 minute commute and this is like talk radio that stops and starts at my convenience. Oddly, one of the frequent topics is about how music purchases and listening are down (and how the industry blames it on piracy) but it hasn't dawned on any of them that _they_ are the reason. There are a bazillion podcasts for every interest that fill up the same entertainment hours that could have been music instead.
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